Thanks for the input guys. And, Jake, yes the deal was for both! What happened was, about three weeks ago I had been to Future Shop here in Brampton and talked the salesman down to $920.00 (Cdn) on a Denon 989 which seemed like a pretty good deal. So, a couple of days later I was auditioning some Paradigm speakers at one of our local hifi's and he asked me what AVR I would be using. I told him I had just picked up the 989 at FS and he tells me..." if you haven't used it yet-take it back, I can sell you a 2809 with an 1800BD (basically free) for $1209.05 Cdn". This includes 2 yrs ext coverage on the Blue Ray, without extended coverage was $1111.00 approx. He told me this was a Denon promo and it looks to me that not a lot of hifi stores are passing along the full discount of the 1800. For ex., one of the dealers in Mississauga was selling the 2809 for, I believe, $1299 Cdn and offered the 1800 at $499 if you bought them together. Quite a difference. Same two dealers were about $500-600 difference on the speaker systems I priced. BTW, as most of you probably know, who already own Denon, the 989 and 2809 are virtually the same exc. the 2809 has the 2nd and 3rd zone control.