Johnny, If you go take a look at the pics I just posted on the SPot, you will see why I made that comment, No real critical listening has been done yet... they have lived in that cabinet the whole time, and are being driven by a kid friendly Onkyo Receiver DVD combo ($500) ... they will have the Benefit of a $4600 McIntosh Amp and a modded Denon 2900 Universal player for this test...and will be on stands, and treated as a high end component.. ... a good thing !