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Audioholics' article on speaker break-in
#108684 08/25/05 08:05 PM
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Very interesting recent (8/25) article on Audioholics HERE

Very technical for me though...


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#108685 08/25/05 08:40 PM
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I had to check to see if the date was April 1st.



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#108686 08/25/05 09:32 PM
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I read, er I mean scanned through that article this morning. I never did figure out their conclusion.


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#108687 08/25/05 10:22 PM
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Cool article. I’ve seen the flame arguments over driver break-in and have wondered what’s correct. I thought the surrounds and spiders would have some change in compliance, but I didn’t know if it was significant.

According to their measurements there is a change, but it’s very small and only takes a very short time to change. Furthermore, the air compliance inside the speaker box tends to dominate the speaker compliance characteristic more than the surrounds and spiders, and the electro/magnetic differences between identical drivers from a production line can cause a bigger difference than changes in the spider and surround compliance. End result; don’t expect to hear any difference after extended driver break-in.


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#108688 08/26/05 12:39 AM
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I agree, even Axiom's tests for 20+ years at NRC have concluded no evidence of breakin occuring. As Alan has mentioned time and time again, it is our brains adjusting.

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#108689 08/26/05 02:11 AM
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I thought their conclusion in big a## words was that there is a break in at speakers' drivers happening only in the first few minutes after first play. Correct me if I am wrong. Other than that there is a lot of technical blah.. blah.. formulas... blah... blah.... Sorry, but not everybody is an engineer. I hope that somebody who is really technical in that regard here in this board can "translate" some staff from that article.


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#108690 08/26/05 02:33 AM
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Rick, the basic finding is that the amount of break-in which occurs takes place in a matter of 10s of seconds and is often accomplished when the manufacturer tests the speakers at the factory. No home break-in at all is relevant in that case. The small changes occurring after the brief(or long)break-in aren't audibly significant and sample-to-sample variations exceed them in magnitude.


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#108691 08/26/05 10:43 AM
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When I added speakers of the same brand and model as I had been listening to for years, I believed I did hear a difference for the first very few moments. When I added a new pair of very close Family Resemblance mains, I believed I heard a similar variation in the sound; again, for a very short amount of time.

Was the main difference for simply tens of seconds? Yeah; could be but there was a percieved change of sound that lasted for a noticable, though short, ammount of time.

This report is a good thing in my estimation, as it allows me(and others)to sit firmly on the fence in this matter and offend no one and agree with everyone!

The only problem that I face is the data. The data says there is no significant change, but the data collecting device at my house says there is. The fact remains that the sensors and data collecting and analyzing equipment in my home cannot be scientifically verified at this point of time.

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#108692 08/26/05 12:14 PM
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That's a wonderfully rational take on the whole issue. NOBODY can say you didn't perceive a difference. I am, in fact, certain you did. Unfortunately, it has been amply demonstrated that our peceptions can be influenced by a variety of psychological and environmental factors, and thus cannot be considered reliable in an accurate, scientific sense.

I'm a little confused by the phrase "trust your ears." If that means "when one hears something one likes, then that's the choice to make," I'm in COMPLETE agreement. If it means "one's psychoacoustical mechanism is incapable of being deceived," I must HEARTILY disagree.


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#108693 08/26/05 01:00 PM
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I also felt my M60s sounded better after some time since the purchase, and I am sure this happened for more than a few seconds. How long, I don't know...


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