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Re: Should I buy the 500 or 600?
#117018 11/23/05 10:23 PM
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Co-Locating means either stacking them or putting them together.

Re: Should I buy the 500 or 600?
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Man that's a big room you have Randy.After the sub upgrade it's my opinion you need to get yourself some M80s


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Re: Should I buy the 500 or 600?
#117020 11/23/05 10:27 PM
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Oh now Wid, don't do that to this Iowaaaan. Actually it is probably closer to 7600 cu ft now, since I built a huge AV closet, next to the HT area, still pretty darn big though. The HT portion probably makes up about 2800 of the total space. the rest of the room will be a pool table area, bar, etc...




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Re: Should I buy the 500 or 600?
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Is that why the 600 has such a huge cabinet, to give you the same results of colocating 2 smaller subs?


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Re: Should I buy the 500 or 600?
#117022 11/23/05 10:31 PM
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The 80s will work great in that BIG room .After that a nice 300 watt amp will be in order


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Re: Should I buy the 500 or 600?
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Bring the whole family up and get everybody a new toy!


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Re: Should I buy the 500 or 600?
#117024 11/23/05 10:45 PM
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Re: Should I buy the 500 or 600?
#117025 11/23/05 11:23 PM
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and the 350 and 500 are in the same size cabinet



The 350 is not as long as the 500, right? But the 350 would certainly stack on top fo the 500, just not the other way around.

I have 2 500's that are not co-located. I put one in the front and one in the back of the room. I did this to try to even out the response in the room. I haven't felt the need to co-locate as I feel I get plenty of volume from these 2 beasts. In fact, I have to keep the volume knobs and receiver sub adjustment pretty low just to keep them calibrated with the rest. My room is under 4000 cu. feet however.

In a 7600+ cu. foot room I can imagine you would want the extra SPL output. A 2nd sub will give you 3dB more output, or 6 dB if it's stacked on the other, or at the least next to each other in a corner.

If it were me (YMMV), I'd probably want the 600 in a corner over two other subs stacked for 2 reasons. 1) I think the 600 would look nicer in the room than 2 smaller subs stacked (IMO), and 2) It's cooler to have the EP600. Afterall it is Axiom's flagship subwoofer. You won't have to suffer from further upgrade-itis.

The downside to a single 600 as Craig mentioned, is that the 2 stacked subs will give you roughly 4 dB more output (115 vs. 111 dB from the 600). But for me the cleaner look of the single 600, and simplicity of having only one set of sub controls to fiddle I'd go with the 600. Not to mention you get a little bit more extension with the 600 (down to 17 from 20 Hz).

Best of luck on making the decision. A tough one for sure. But remember, either way the system will rock.


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Re: Should I buy the 500 or 600?
#117026 11/24/05 03:41 AM
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Tom, I'll try the clarification. When two subs are used, output is increased regardless of whether they're placed close together or widely separated. When widely separated the increase is the same 3dB experienced when any two speakers are playing the identical signal. When the two sub drivers are located within about 1/4 wavelength of each other(e.g. about 3 1/2 feet at 80Hz)they reinforce each other and can provide as much as an additional 3dB increase, for a total increase of as much as 6dB.

The advantage of the widely separate location, although it doesn't provide as much increase in level, is that it can help in counteracting troublesome room modes. The basic positioning, as discussed more fully by Dr. Toole and his colleagues at Harman in the paper which has been referred to here several times, is to place the subs in the middle of opposite walls(either front and back or to each side). This would be especially useful in a room that's square or nearly so.


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Re: Should I buy the 500 or 600?
#117027 11/24/05 05:49 AM
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Randy, I can't tell you what to buy, for that's not in my place to do. However, I will be placing my order for the EP600 after Christmas!



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