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Re: New 2006 Axiom Products
#121792 12/26/05 03:01 PM
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I agree Rat, makes no sense to change a design that is a proven success. I'm tired of rumors that have no factual basis.


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Re: New 2006 Axiom Products
#121793 12/26/05 03:50 PM
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I've always wondered what the M22s would be like as a tower speaker. Would simply extending the cabinet size, similar to the M40ti as an extended M3ti, give the M22 just enough bass? I could really see myself making that upgrade. That would be one sexy looking tower speaker, Yeah, baby, yeah!

Re: New 2006 Axiom Products
#121794 12/26/05 04:11 PM
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I think that would be a great speaker but it would suffer from the same problem as the M40 -- being relatively expensive to build and ship but not offering any real advantage in an HT system over the M22.

The M40 was a great music speaker but since something like 95% of high end audio purchases are for HT not music these days (and HT systems always have a subwoofer for the bass) I don't see a bright future for small (ie not real loud) speaker systems like the M40 or the M22 (tall).

It's a pity, really. I am very happy with my M40s but I would have a tough time recommending spending the extra $$ over M3s for a system which was going to be primarily HT.


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Re: New 2006 Axiom Products
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I agree, John. My M40s perfectly fit the niche for a stand-alone two channel music speaker in a small room. I ran a frequency sweep through them the other day and was surprised at what they gave back. Didn't go ultra low and high spl, but conveyed enough info that you knew it was there.


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Re: New 2006 Axiom Products
#121796 12/26/05 04:34 PM
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Yep... I had a tough time believing the frequency response curve of the M40s in the SoundStage review but when they arrived their bass extension really did seem as good as the review suggested :

http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/axiom_millenniam40ti.htm

http://www.soundstagemagazine.com/measurements/axiom_m40ti/


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Re: New 2006 Axiom Products
#121797 12/27/05 03:43 PM
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To me; the ultimate would be a pair of self powered M80s(or even bookshelves)with digital amps matched to the electro/mechanical characteristics of the drivers/cabinets, and the ability of each individual listener to tailor his or her listening preferences to either warmer/cooler, as well as intense/subdued character, as the listening material and room parameters required.

Hey, with intellegent control over all those individual drivers, plus the port lengths....no different than mapping fuel injection!!

I 'spect that it's gonna happen soon; just be nice if Axiom got there first!!

Re: New 2006 Axiom Products
#121798 12/27/05 05:44 PM
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This brings the whole bookshelf vs tower debate back to square one for me. I've noticed that most of the people who believe that towers don't give you much more compared to a good bookshelf + sub are the proud owners of tower speakers. This fact alone makes me think that I am missing out on something??

Re: New 2006 Axiom Products
#121799 12/27/05 06:09 PM
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Rats!!...well guys, the cat's out of the bag

Yeah, there is a difference.

To be honest though, I didn't notice all that much of a difference other than over-all loudness and more presence, when I crossed the mains at 80hz.

When I noticed the real improvement, was when I started crossing at 60hz and insisted that the towers produce that extra 20 or so more hz of bass.

So yeah,...if the room is not too large, and the speakers are crossed at 80, then the difference isn't all that great.

And in a smaller room with a well integrated sub, the bookshelf system may even be a better bet, as "generally"(in some circles) a bookshelf speaker will outperform a tower pair in the areas of soundstaging and imaging.

YMMV, void where prohibited by law. (in a larger room though.....



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Re: New 2006 Axiom Products
#121800 12/27/05 09:45 PM
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Drat, now I have to spend more money. Gotta sell something first.

Re: New 2006 Axiom Products
#121801 12/31/05 01:48 PM
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Here's hope'n that we see a few Axiom announcements this coming year!!


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