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#123136 - 01/06/06 12:18 PM Re: Sanyo Z4
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I had looked at this stuff before.
http://www.goosystems.com/


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#123137 - 01/06/06 12:21 PM Re: Sanyo Z4
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I know a lot of people that have used Goo, and it is a good product, if you don't mind paying a little extra.

You can achieve the same results following one of the DIY paint methods:

ME (Misty Evening)
MM/SM (MississippiMud/Silver Metalic)
Silverscreen

Most of the above are products that can be purchased at the home depot. They can be rolled or applied with an HVLP paint gun.
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#123138 - 01/06/06 02:11 PM Re: Sanyo Z4
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Yup, mud is what I think of when I think of pure white. Um...
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#123139 - 01/06/06 02:18 PM Re: Sanyo Z4
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The creator is from Mississippi, and the formula has a 1/96th drop of red oxide which was used for older LCD's, which gave it a slight pinkish tint that turned white once dry, so that is where the name came from.

Bottom coat:
Behr Silver Metalic, found in faux display at Home Depot.

Top coat:
"All Paints are Flat Latex
1 quart of Behr Deep Base (1300) $8.99
1 quart of Behr Ultra Pure White Flat "Ceiling" $8.99
1 quarts of Behr "White Opal" Perlescence $17.99

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#123140 - 01/06/06 02:29 PM Re: Sanyo Z4
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thanks. ....

do you 'have' to use flat? Gets dirty and is hard to clean. What about eggshell?
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#123141 - 01/06/06 02:41 PM Re: Sanyo Z4
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Never tried it, but normally you do not want any sheen or hot spotting. Actually the formula has gone through many changes since I used to hang out at the DIY forum for screens on AVS. I spent lots of time testing and trying various samples and formula's that took lots of time. There may be some new changes I'm not aware of.

Some have been happy with just Behr Silverscreen, which does not have as many different ingrediants.

Matte White (flat) screens have been around the industry for ever, and are the norm. Some people like high power screens, but I think you start to lose contrast. Others like to use Contrast enhancing screens, however, you lose color vibrance.

The Z4 has great contrast that rivals some DLPs that are out there now. Also, colors are dead on with the Z4. Most likely you would be happy with just a matte white screen.

Another option, if you have a home improvement store around is to look for Parkland Durotherm Lite panels. I bought them at Menards before, they come in a 4' x 8' x 5/16" thick light weight panel found standing up in the paneling aisle. One side is smooth flat white and works great for a screen. Just hang it and enjoy. You can paint your back wall black or build a black border to help with perceived blacks. In my opinion, a border or painted back wall is a must. It really improves the picture quality. This material can also be trimed to accomodate a 16:9 screen.

Here is my Dazian matte white 2.35 cinemascope screen.




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#123142 - 01/06/06 03:18 PM Re: Sanyo Z4
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Thanks for the info. It's very helpfull. I have a couple months to think about all this and haven't ruled out building a screen, but I like to keep my options open.

Heck, by the time I need to buy a projector, they might just come down in price too. Probably around May/June is when I'll be ready for it.
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#123143 - 01/14/06 12:41 AM Re: Sanyo Z4
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OK Randy, I’m going to try that paint recipe. I’m heading to the big city tomorrow to buy a Jacuzzi and other building materials, including paint.

What do you use for the black boarder? And what about the ceiling? I’m going with a really dark red/maroon for the walls in an eggshell finish, and don’t want to go black on the ceiling. Any other suggestions for the ceiling? Black just gives me the creeps…….

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#123144 - 01/14/06 08:49 AM Re: Sanyo Z4
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Mike, I would take some time to read the threads on the AVSforum "DIY Screen Forum" .... I think a lot of things have changed since I did my first painted screen over a 1.5 yrs ago. I know the MMud formula, which they now call Light Fusion, used to have a person put 1-2 coats of the Silver on first, letting each one dry, they the mud goes on top in vary thin coats as well, untill you can barely see a hint of the metalic. The top coat is translucent enough that it lets light pass through and reflect off the silver. Some people are now using plexi mirror, or even mirrors to substitute the Silver and just applying the mud on top. Others mix a certain percentage of Silver into the mud.

Also, I experiemented with many test pieces before I sprayed my wall, and there is a science to that as well. You could send MississippiMan a PM on AVS forum, he will give you all the details.

Or, you could try the Silverscreen option, not as many ingrediants. For me, I spent countless hours talking to the paint experts on AVS, spent lots of time spraying small samples before I actually did my first wall on my upstairs theater room. After we had our second son, he got that room, so I had to start over downstairs.

Personally, if it was me, I would just buy material, build a frame, and stretch the material over the frame like my current screen. I love the performance of this screen. Nickbuol, another member on this website, bought his screen from Carada, they make awesome screens with a border incorporated in with the screen at good prices.

Again, the ingrediants listed above where one of the first versions of the mud formula, I'm sure it has changed somewhat since a year ago.

I just checked the forum, and it appears there is a new mix in town that consists of:

16 oz. - Behr Ultra Pure White Flat Exterior (HD) $10
8 oz. - Behr Deep Base Flat Exterior (HD) $9
16 oz. - Delta Ceramcoat Pearl #02601 (Michaels) $8
8 oz. - Delta Ceramcoat Metallic Silver #02603 (Michaels) $4
10 oz. Minwax Polycrylic Satin Finish (HD) $14
6 oz. Distilled or Tap Water

Here is the questions forum for that mix.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=593772&highlight=ceramcoat

So you can see it is constantly evolving. If you have the time ti figure it all out and test, go for it....I spent a lot of time doing that, now I just enjoy everything.

ps: My ceiling was done a darker blue to match my walls, the back wall behind the screen is black. Make sure you don't use a gloss or semi gloss, or you will get reflections in the room.


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#123145 - 01/14/06 01:16 PM Re: Sanyo Z4
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Damn that's a lot of reading. I'm just going to try it. No mirrors either. If I don't like it, I'll build a screen.

Thanks for your help.
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