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Re: Going back to Yamaha??
#123676 01/11/06 11:53 PM
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Reading what your dealer said regarding the HTR series simply makes me laugh. Six clicks from the yamaha.com homepage took me to a FAQ which clearly states the HTR and RXV series receivers from Yamaha are functionally identical. Same features, same amplifiers, same remote and built in the same plant. The only difference, according to Yamaha's FAQ, is the front faceplate. I guess the dealer you chatted with must know of some mystical way that gold lettering on the HTR series turns the unit into junk. The dishonesty of many B&M dealers has pushed me to purchase most of my HT components online in the last 2 years. I picked up an HTR-5890 (virtually identical to the RX-V1500 - well, except that it's junk ) from an E-bay retailer for ~ 70% of the cost from B&M in my area. At first I struggled, because I find it important to support local merchants, and to keep my hard earned money in the local economy, but when people are willing to lie, cheat and steal there way into my wallet, I eventually steer clear.

Re: Going back to Yamaha??
#123677 01/12/06 03:10 PM
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I'm really surprised no one has said that I must be out of my blooming mind. I've been sort of expecting that. Gee, after all these years and me . . . thinking that I am stark raving . . . and no one has said it, even now.

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#123678 01/12/06 03:14 PM
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You must be out of your mind I tell you. Ok there I said it


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Re: Going back to Yamaha??
#123679 01/12/06 04:29 PM
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Thanks, Rick. I knew I could count on you.

Re: Going back to Yamaha??
#123680 01/13/06 04:17 PM
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I'm having seconds thoughts about the Yamaha HTR-5590. These specs, # 400 watts of total system amplification
# 120 watts x 6 channels (1kHz), just don't seem to add up. I might be forced to hang with the Denon for awhile. Call me naive, or even simple, but 120 x 6 doesn't equal 400, no matter how you cut the cake.

Re: Going back to Yamaha??
#123681 01/13/06 10:58 PM
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Do you think that this is just another form of "fuzzy math?"

LOL!!!!

There ought to be a law.


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Re: Going back to Yamaha??
#123682 01/14/06 05:12 AM
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Bruce, both the 6x120(1KHz)(6x100,20-20KHz)and the 400 numbers are accurate, but they're not referring to comparable rating factors. The 400 watts is power consumption(not "total system amplification"),and except where the manufacturer states that it's "maximum" or "full-power" consumption it's a figure that roughly corresponds to average consumption and is arrived at in the UL required testing at 1/8th power for overheating. A class AB amplifier is about 50% efficient(power output compared to power consumption)at full rated power, but the efficiency is lower at less than full power and might be roughly 20% at 1/8th power. 1/8th of 6x100 is a bit under 80 watts, and at about 20% efficiency that would require about 400 watts of consumption. So there's no conflict between the two figures. Buy it if you want it; the power rating has to be accurate, as required by the FTC regs.


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Re: Going back to Yamaha??
#123683 01/14/06 03:53 PM
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Thanks John!!!

Just goes to show you that you really need to fully understand what these spec mean and how they were generated.


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Re: Going back to Yamaha??
#123684 01/14/06 11:47 PM
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I think I just became a Denon hater. I just became aware that I am experiencing a problem others have mentioned about this player. I just had to have the Denon DVD 2900 DVD player last Xmas, so I got me one. Lo, and behold, I discover that it is now freezing/stuttering in certain scenes on quite a number of my store bought DVD's. I would expect this if I was playing DVD-Rs. I called Crutchfield about this issue and the player is out of warrantee by one month. The tech support there said I should check for a firmware update at the Denon site. I have discovered there are none available. My only recourse seems to be the repair shop. A $700 DVD player should last longer than a year. The way I fell now, I'm thinking I should get rid of anything in the house with the letter 'D' on its label.

Re: Going back to Yamaha??
#123685 01/15/06 01:15 AM
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Sorry to hear that.

You might want to try the OPPO for about $200 rather than repairing your Denon.

Of course, that is an "ify" judgement call. The Denon is probably worth repairing at least once.


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