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Auto Eq and Sub
#124691 01/18/06 10:19 PM
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When using the auto EQ with A Mic, does it matter what the volume setting is set to on the Sub when running the test?


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On the Denons there is Auto Setup, which I believe your talking about. There is also Room EQ, that if turned on, will adjust various frequencies of your speakers to your room characteristics. I do not use Room EQ as it makes my m60's have to much treble/midrange sound. Alan from Axiom has mentioned many times to not use the EQ portion. By default it is turned off in the menu anyway.

To answer your question, I had the 350 before upgrading to the 500. I would put the volume about at the 10 or 11 o'clock position. When you run the setup, the dB level on the receiver will be adjusted based on the test tones, and most likely will be around -3dB's or so. If you have the sub gain lower, the receiver will be closer to 0dB's to get to the desired SPL.

Sorry for my rambling, hope it makes sense..


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Randy, Thanks, makes perfect sense, I'm upgrading also and should get my EP500 within a couple days. I just want to make sure I have everything right before the new sub gets here. That way before I send the EP350 back I can do a fair comparison.


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When you setup the 500, you have to put the volume at about the 7o'clock position. The orientation of the knob is differant on the 500.

On the 350 the Min. position was at about 7o'clock if I remember correctly, on the 500 it is at about the 4o'clock position.


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I think from the error messages printed on page 25 of the manual that if the subwoofer volume is too high, you will get an "ERROR!" in the auto setup. If that happens, you will have to reduce the subwoofer volume. Also when you check the channel levels the subwoofer adjustment may be max'd out. Lower the volume and retry.

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Re: Auto Eq and Sub
#124696 01/19/06 04:29 AM
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Michael, as the previous replies indicated, about the only significant point is that the setting on the sub level control when doing the auto-calibration shouldn't be such as to result in a receiver sub level setting close to the extremes. For example, if the result was -8dB or lower on the sub calibration, set the sub level control lower and re-run the auto-calibration so that the level on the receiver setting will come out closer to 0.


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Thanks guys, I'll let you know how it sounds in a couple days. I'm really looking forward to getting the 500 up and running with my system.


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#124698 01/21/06 01:12 AM
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The EP500's up and running , still doing a little tweeking, but Wow! In all fairness the EP350 is good, but its just not in the same class as the 500. This is definitely the best sub I've ever heard.


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ditto on that comment. I also enjoyed my 350 very much, and it would serve most people with average sized rooms well. The 500 is a whole new animal.


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One more question on Denon auto EQ, Ran setup with the EP500 set at the 7 oclock position on flat. Test tones are giving me a -5db on the sub. Should I turn down the sub more and run the test again?


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Your still getting the full 500 watts from the amp either way, but yes, you could bump down the sub volume a little, and most likely the receiver will move closer to 0dB's. I think my Denon 2805 has my 500 at around -3dB and the sub knob is somewhere around 7 o'clock.

Do you have the speaker setup menu setting all speakers to Small, and a crossover of 80hz, then run the setup?


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Speakers are set to small and crossover at 80hz, it sounds great, I'm just worried if I crank the sub volume up will there be a problem? If not I'll just leave it like it is.


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#124703 01/21/06 03:22 AM
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There should be no problem. If you want more bass turn it up. If you want less turn it down. I have mine set around 8 o'clock.


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I agree, there is no one perfect answer. Some people like more BOOOOOM than others. I think the Axiom pamphlet stated to put the sub knob initially at about the half-way point of 9'oclock for the first setup. Once you have the receiver setup, you can adjust the knob on the sub a little until you've reached your desired sound..


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#124705 01/21/06 03:46 AM
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Randy, the pamphlet says "VOLUME: Set this midway to the 9 o'clock position for initial setup." That statement is a little confusing because when stating a "midway" point, usually two points on the scale are mentioned, like midway between point "x" and point "y." Since only one point is mentioned, the "9 o'clock" position, I assume, the unmentioned point is the position of lowest possible volume which is about the 4 o'clock position. "Midway to the 9 o'clock position" from that point would be the mid point between 6 o'clock and 7 o'clock.


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Thanks for all your help guys, I want to stop fiddling and start listening, I'm still in awe every time I turn my system on


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Jack, my interpretation is that the problem is a missing comma after "midway". The max is about 2 o'clock and the min is about 4 o'clock, so 9 would indeed be "midway". If they wanted to suggest 6 or 7 they probably would just have said that. For want of a comma this has now involved two threads in discussion of the matter.


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Actually that is what I meant to say, I just didn't feel like walking downstairs to get the pamphlet...


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I considered the possibility that a comma (or two) had been omitted, but gave Axiom the benefit of the doubt, and assumed they said what they meant (or should that be "meant what they said"? ).

Actually, if they meant the clause "to the 9 o'clock position" to be a clarification of the term "midway," they should've used TWO commas. So, it would look like this: "VOLUME: Set this midway, to the 9 o'clock position, for initial setup." And, adding an "i.e.," also set off by commas, REALLY would have made it clear: "VOLUME: Set this midway, i.e., to the 9 o'clock position, for initial setup."

Further explanation (for extra credit ): "i.e." is the abbreviation of the Latin phrase "id est" which, literally translated, means "it is." However,the abbreviation is generally interpreted to mean "that is (to say)." So, inserting those words into our "VOLUME" sentence, the meaning becomes crystal clear. "VOLUME: Set this midway, that is to say, to the 9 o'clock position, for initial setup."

I don't know who would be prouder, my brother, who was my 9th grade English teacher, or Mrs. Nesbitt, who was my 9th grade Latin teacher. I must've paid attention when I was in 9th grade, something I ceased doing by the time I reached 12th grade.


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You guys crack me up


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