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#12720 - 07/01/03 05:26 PM Some overpriced speakers at Tweeters.
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
Took the wife to Tweeters Sunday under the pretense, "We're going to need a digital video camera to film the baby as he grows up." Looked at cameras for 2 minutes, looked at big screens for 15 minutes (5 minutes of which was spent arguing with the salesman about his prevarications), and then stopped by the super-high-end audio room.

Salesman popped in some jazz (he had left me for a less hostile customer a little earlier) and cranked up the volume on their Denon receiver. It sounded exactly like my system! I mean EXACTLY!!! No BS, I thought I was at home listening to my own stuff.

I moved over to check out the speakers. Medium-brown wood cabinets, very nicely done (warm, not too much lacquer). About the size of my M60s. I think they were Martin Logans, but I can't remember for sure because when I saw the price - $4,400+ each - I was stunned.

I'm sure that if I were to do an A/B comparison between the two speakers, the differences would be apparent. They would have to be significantly better for $8,000+ more, right?

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#12721 - 07/01/03 05:31 PM Re: Some overpriced speakers at Tweeters.
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
Actually I just checked the Tweeter web site and I think they were those Vienna Beethovenrs at $4449.00 each. I must have been high or something.

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#12722 - 07/01/03 06:17 PM Re: Some overpriced speakers at Tweeters.
sushi Offline
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Registered: 02/09/03
Posts: 1490
Loc: Dallas, TX
In reply to:

I'm sure that if I were to do an A/B comparison between the two speakers, the differences would be apparent.




You mean, your M60's would be BETTER of course, right?

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#12723 - 07/01/03 08:01 PM Re: Some overpriced speakers at Tweeters.
rcvecc Offline
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Registered: 04/17/03
Posts: 608
Loc: east haven ct
i looked at the vienna line,the cheapest floorstanding speaker they had was 1500 dollars,they did sound really nice but the m80s,in my oppinion,out preform them with ease,those speakers also require you to put play sand in them to make them stable!!!!that will be the day i spend 1500 dollars,let alone 5000 on a speaker that requires playsand.the salesworm told me they do that to keep shipping costs down.yeah right....ron

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#12724 - 07/01/03 09:50 PM Re: Some overpriced speakers at Tweeters.
JohnK Offline
shareholder in the making

Registered: 05/11/02
Posts: 10362
Yeah Mark, I've learned that audio is one of the areas where the saying "You get what you pay for" has little application. Maybe things are improving though; audio salesmen used to outright lie, now it appears they only prevaricate.
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#12725 - 07/02/03 01:48 AM Re: Some overpriced speakers at Tweeters.
chesseroo Offline
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Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4788
Loc: western canada
I have to stay out of the big box stores.
It irks me to no end when they start spouting the sales pitch with words that they cannot even define.
Try asking a salesman next time if they can mathematically define a watt and power. If they are lucky, they will remember their grade 12 physics class.
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#12726 - 07/02/03 03:10 AM Re: Some overpriced speakers at Tweeters.
2x6spds Offline
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Registered: 03/16/02
Posts: 2726
Loc: CA, USA
I also auditioned a pair of Beethovens at our local Costa Mesa Tweets, they were driven by some high priced separates and sourced with a Pioneer Elite something or other DVDA/SACD player. They sounded pretty good! Almost as good as a pair of M60s.

I also auditioned a pair of Thiels C2.3s(?) Their bass was a bit better than the M60s, but the Axioms don't give up much or anything to these wonderful speakers. The system was pretty impressive - Anthem MCA50 200 watt per channel amp, Thiel rears and a great big Thiel center.

For the money, I haven't heard any speakers which can outperform the Axioms or their cousins, the Michauras.
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#12727 - 07/02/03 11:30 AM Re: Some overpriced speakers at Tweeters.
pmbuko Offline
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Registered: 04/02/03
Posts: 16259
Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
If they could remember anything from grade 12 Physics, one would hope they aren't working at a retail electronics store.
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#12728 - 07/02/03 12:47 PM Re: Some overpriced speakers at Tweeters.
fmowry Offline
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Registered: 03/14/03
Posts: 109
Loc: Baltimore, MD
Hmmm, I don't remember the 12th grade! Good times!

I'm still trying to find out what prevaricate means.

Frank


Edited by fmowry (07/02/03 12:47 PM)

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#12729 - 07/02/03 01:37 PM Re: Some overpriced speakers at Tweeters.
sushi Offline
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Registered: 02/09/03
Posts: 1490
Loc: Dallas, TX
Yeah, I'd like to know the legal connotations of lie vs. prevaricate. John?

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