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Re: Bookshelf hell!
#134263 04/04/06 07:07 PM
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Describing the M3s as musical is "dumb"? Alan, you are an offensive, arrogant twit. I suppose your years of service as a flak qualifies you as the resident Axiom expert with a license to insult Axiom owners. I recall your description of the tube output, Ah! Njoe Tjoeb CDP as a "distortion generator," all the more interesting since you admit you never heard one. I bought mine because it was well reviewed by audio commentators whose opinions I respect, and as for my own experience with the Ah!, Ah think it's great.

Anyway, the M3 could be the best speaker in the Axiom line-up with a little more refinement. Certainly, at its price point it's terrific. I had a pair of M22s and did not like them. I don't know why not, since among my favorite speakers are the Michaura M55s which use two 5.25" Axiom aluminum drivers and the Axiom 3/4" tweeter. Perhaps it's the hex shaped cabinet or the wonderful 3/4" titanium tweeter, but to my ears, the M55s outshine their big brothers, the Axiom M22s. As between the Michaura M55s and the Axiom M3Tis, although I love the M3s, I gave mine away after spending some quality time with the M55s. Maybe my M22s were defective or unsuited to the 5 wpc SET tube amp I used with them, I certainly expected more from the M22s.

I hope Axiom keeps developing its bookshelf speakers, especially the M3s. I think it would be great if Axiom picked up some Reference 3a de capo mm i's and some Dulcets, (very musical speakers) and tweak the M3s until they come close to the wonderful sound produced by the reference 3a speakers. Of course, the Dulcets are $1500 a pair and the de capos $2500, so it would be quite a coup for Axiom to upgrade the M3s to match these wonderful speakers.

Maybe an M45 would work - a large bookshelf with a 6.5" driver from the M3/M50/M60/M80, and a 5.25" midrange driver from the M2/M22/M80, in a bookshelf. Maybe such a speaker could be voiced to match the Reference 3a de capo mm i.


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Re: Bookshelf hell!
#134264 04/04/06 07:45 PM
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In reply to:

Describing the M3s as musical is "dumb"? Alan, you are an offensive, arrogant twit. I suppose your years of service as a flak qualifies you as the resident Axiom expert with a license to insult Axiom owners.



Welp, after checking this board several times a day for a few months, that's the 1st truly nasty post I've come across. Why is name-calling necessary?


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Re: Bookshelf hell!
#134265 04/04/06 07:51 PM
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2x6spds, please, no one is out to get anyone. I highly doubt Alan was trying to offend you. Give people the benefit of the doubt when they are saying something that they mean not to offend anyone. If there is one difference between this forum and the AVS forum, it's that there is a general aura of courtesy with the members. On AVS, people think people are accusing them, then they accuse the people back, then things are said that no one wishes they said, and so on and so forth.

Many people, including myself, can overuse the word "musical." Alan was offering his opinions about the term and saying the general conception of the word should mean something else. He was addressing everyone, the audio community, to how the term "musical" is used and how Alan personally thinks it should mean. Honestly, it sounded like the 2nd half of his post could have been included in the "Newsletters" he posts on the Axiom website. In one he talks about how speakers are defined, those couple of sentences could easily fit in that specific Newsletter.

Also, everyone has different ears, of someone thinks the M3's sound better than the M2's with a sub, or visa versa, great. That is their opinion. Everyone has different experiences.

Anyways, back to the topic. Let's not make this thread true to its name, "Bookshelf hell"

2x6spds, I also was wondering what axiom would do with an "M32" speaker, a mix of the M3 and M2 speaker, with a 5.25" and a 6.5" driver. I had a post about it somewhere a while ago, no idea where though.



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Re: Bookshelf hell!
#134266 04/04/06 08:18 PM
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"I also was wondering what axiom would do with an "M32" speaker, a mix of the M3 and M2 speaker, with a 5.25" and a 6.5" driver. I had a post about it somewhere a while ago, no idea where though."

This would look like an M60 with the bottom half cut off. So how about calling it the M30?



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Re: Bookshelf hell!
#134267 04/04/06 08:33 PM
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Paridigm has the Monitor 5 and the Signature S4 which has 2 7 inch drivers, a midrange and a bass, of different materials apparently.

Since I'm always going to be a candidate for bookshelf speakers because I'm always going to have my speakers on a desk for both music and movies from my computer, the tall, powerful bookshelfs appeal to me. If axiom released an "M45" "M32" or "M30" or whatever, I'd trade up my M22's straight away.

I don't know, but the S4's look really nice with those 2 drivers. They look beastly. I like them just for the look, but I know if Axiom made a speaker like it, I would get the Axiom. I think the S4's are something ridiculous like $1500 a pair, I think more.





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That reply desirves an asskicking
#134268 04/04/06 09:12 PM
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MR2X6......If you would have said that to me within arm's reach, I can asure you that you would not be walking away from the conversation. To call someone a twit is f-ing uncool.

Alan's helped me out several times. All well as many others. He didn't desirve that Bull-sh!t.

Re: That reply desirves an asskicking
#134269 04/04/06 09:49 PM
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Ahhh I hate conflicts!

Let's just continue on with the thread like nothing happened eh? Everybody happy? Don't worry be happy?

I kinda liked where it was going before all this, let's all just try to forgive and forget, it's a forum after all.



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#134270 04/04/06 10:14 PM
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Classy, 2x6. Real classy.

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I recall your description of the tube output, Ah! Njoe Tjoeb CDP as a "distortion generator," all the more interesting since you admit you never heard one.




There you go again with the word distortion. Tubes introduce their own harmonic distortion. That is a fact. It's whether or not someone likes that distortion that is up to opinion. So if you have a beef with Alan stating the truth, then quite frankly that puts you in a rather odd (and weak) position.

And if you would have read beyond "musical is kind of dumb" instead of instantly becoming far more offensive and arrogant than Alan has ever shown, you would've realized that Alan was not insulting anybody.

But good on you for your measured, reasonable response.

Re: That reply desirves an asskicking
#134271 04/04/06 10:14 PM
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This little group needs to get a room and work out some long seeded issues.

As for the advise, I thank you all! I think I have made my choice, but need to decide whether I should wait for the Vassallo line to be announced and pay the up charge. I am already going to pay an upcharge for the High-Gloss, if I go that way!

Since I used the word "Musical" and meant it as a term that could be understood as accurate sound, I appologize for turning this thread sideways! It should not be an issue to an "expert" as he relates to us common folk.

I am thinking M2i w/ HSU sub!

Re: That reply desirves an asskicking
#134272 04/04/06 10:48 PM
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No, I don't think it was you who turned the thread sideways using musical, lots of people use the term loosly, and many used it in the thread. That really isn't even a relevent reason why the thread got wierd, but, I don't think you had any part in this, so no worries. :-)

Anyways...


You will be happy with your M2's! Good choice. But...are you suuure you don't want M22's? :-P



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