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SirQuack #144129 09/05/06 08:13 PM
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I have another question regarding those bass traps.

I have a 14 x 16 room and the back of the room there are no doors anywhere (door is at the front of the room). I am going to be mounting my QS8's on the side walls. I don't have alot of room to work with (16 ft long room) So I was wondering if 1 foot wide bass traps would be as effective? It IS a smaller room after all. I don't want to mount my QS8's more than 1 foot from the back wall due to seating restraints.

Will 1ft wide mini bass traps be effective?

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SirQuack #144130 09/05/06 08:43 PM
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Looking mighty darn fine and dandy Randy ... actually darned awesome, I love the look and I'm betting the sound is just as awesome to boot!


I just ordered some panels and a couple more tri-traps from GIK this morning, man I've retired my hammer and nail apron after these last couple of years slaving on our house. Can't do the DIY at the moment.


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BTW, you planning your own Mega Movie Marathon so that you have to put in a tent to catch few Z's in?





Funny, actually the tent is for the kids, they like laying in there and watching movies while the adults get to use the couch or recliners.


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Will 1ft wide mini bass traps be effective?
-Robb.




Hey Robb,

Some bass traps is better than no bass traps. The easiest method is to use 2'x4' panels with at least 4" of good absorbtion material stradeling the corners, floor to ceiling if possible, but not required. For my rear walls, I'm also considering making some columns, versus superchunks or stradeling using panels. This is to make my wife happy. I will still use the Owens Corning 703 which comes in 2' x 4' x 2" thick sheets. If I cut it down the middle lengthwise, I'll have 1' x 4' x 2" sheets. Then if I stack the sheets up in a prebuilt frame I'll have a 12" wide x 6" or 8" thick column in each corner.

So to answer your question, yes, it will work, depending on how thick you make the material, the thicker the better. Some use acoustical cotton, which works well also. Bryan from GIK and Sensible Solutions has an online website for the type of material to look for.. http://www.sensiblesoundsolutions.com


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SirQuack #144133 09/05/06 10:15 PM
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Ok, since John Bridgman has been begging like a little puppy wanting a bone, for me to show the construction steps of my DIY FRZ panels, here we go...

First of all I would like to thank our fellow Axiom member "mrnomas" from audioholics as I used his DIY instructions to get me motivated.

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/roomacoustics/DIYabsorbersacoustics.php


Keep in mind, these panels below are for FRZ's (first refection zones) not bass trapping. Although, they do absorb some low frequencies, the 2" thick material is more geared towards mid/high absorbtion. Treating FRZ's has dramatically improved the clarity of the music and pretty muched zapped any echo of the same signals reaching your ears at the same time.

OK, before I get started, I want you to realize that my wife noticed I was working on top of my recently re-felted pool table. Since I had many tools, including scissors, she thought I better place something on the pooltable. So that explains the tiger blanket underneath on the pictures.

This first picture shows the owens corning 703 rigid fiberglass board next to the frames I built. I just went to Menards and got the cheapest/straightest 1x4's I could find. Now that they are all finished, next time I might have spent a little more money to get the better quality boards, as a few of mine ended up being slightly warped.

Luckily, I used those on the ceiling locations, which are hanging down a few inches using wires/hooks. You can't really tell they are warped. The wall panels were perfectly straight, so I just hung them using some picture wire/hooks, etc...



I pretty much cut the longer boards exactly 4ft, and one of the end boards exactly 2ft + the thickness of the boards. I then went ahead and pre-drilled and screwed them togethor, around the panel. The final 2ft piece I cut just slightly shorter, to help hold the 703 in place. I then added a board across the back for extra support, but I don't think it was required.



The OC 703 is a great product to work with. For the most part, as long as it is not disturbed, the fiberglass particles will stay in tact. However, most people like to cover it with white batting or muslin cloth. I used white muslin from Walmart. I precut the pieces, and then used a putty knife to tuck the material nicely around the 703.





Once, I had the white muslin on the front/back of the panels, it was time to attach the black material around the front of the panel. I found some black polyester material at Walmart that had some stretch to it, and one side looked almost like speaker grill cloth.

The key here is you don't want a material that will reflect the mid/highs. Bass will pass pretty much through anything, but mids/highs can easily be reflected if you use the wrong material. If you can breath/blow through the material easily then you should be fine. Just don't use something shinny or reflective looking.

Here is a picture of the material that I precut laying under the panel. I made sure that I took the stretch into consideration before cutting the material. Next, I started on one side and stapled 4-6 staples about 2" apart. I also doubled up the edge of the material for extra support.

I then moved to the opposite side and repeated the process, then the ends, etc.. As I moved around the frame and pulled the material to staple, the front side became nice and flat and tight.



Here is a picture of how it looks once all stapled. The hardest part was figuring out how to make the corners look nice. After a few attempts, it was pretty simple. Basically, I had to trim a little excess material off, tuck one side under the other side, then take the outer piece and pull it around the back and staple.




If you scroll above a few posts, you will see some pictures I posted yesterday of the finished products in my HT. My next step is to build some more BASS traps for the ceiling/wall locations and then some rear wall columns.

ps: Bridgman, yes I will have some graphs asap.


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Hutzal #144134 09/06/06 01:40 PM
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Incredible work Randy. I really admire the ability to research, build, install and get it past the "significant-other" when it comes to puting audio enhancements in your living space. The negotiations can be the hard part!


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cgrface #144135 09/06/06 05:57 PM
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Randy, nice job!

What did you use to hang the panels from the ceiling, eye hooks? How difficult was it to hang them (getting them tight up there and seeing what you are doing)?

Your room really looks nice and I'm sure sounds as good or better than it looks


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I can't believe the sound Dave, before it was awesome as you would expect from Axiom, but it really is much better. I can distinguish the vocals/instruments on the various stage locations now.

In regards to the panels on the ceiling, I used hooks in the ceiling similar to what you would use to hang a plant. I placed eye hooks at each end of the back of the framing and used picture frame wire at each end of the panels with a little slack in them, so they hung a few inches below the ceiling.


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SirQuack #144137 09/06/06 07:49 PM
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Good job Randy. They look very well done. And your theater is to be admired (envied). Watch how many people will now enter your theater and point at the treatments and say, "Are those speakers?" completely ignoring the actual speakers in the room.


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It has already happened. My wife thinks I should rename the theater to the Monolith Theater from 2001 A Space Odyssey.


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