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#149547 - 10/21/06 03:24 AM Re: M80s for HT and Music [Re: SirQuack]
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Randy,

Thanks for those Links!

Wow, i never knew all the other designs for straddling bass traps.

I was going to do the all wood frame for mine, Now I am considering the corner bead bass trap design. It will give absorbtion on the sides as well.

I had searched the internet for different designs. Thanks!


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#149548 - 10/21/06 09:36 AM Re: M80s for HT and Music [Re: SirQuack]
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Registered: 10/16/06
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Thank you Randy !

In following my links to links to links yesterday I came accross a lot of your information and pictures of your superchunks. That is what I am considering doing first and foremost at this time is exactly what you did for the corners. Part of my problem though is that I do not have a "square" area, I have 3 walls and a big open space so on the right hand side there is no FRZ next to the speaker, it actually gets lost in the open space. I put a temporary piece of 4'X8' plywood as a makeshift wall to create a FRZ that is the same distance away from the speaker, about 20" as the left hand side. This helped improved the imaging. I might have to build a wall, or put in a tall bookshelf in that spot to create a surface onto which I can hang my FRZ treatment.

Thanks again for all the great information and sharing your experiences, it really helps people like me who are have absolutely no treatment of any kind start on the right note :-)

Stephane
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#149549 - 10/21/06 09:39 AM Re: M80s for HT and Music [Re: Hutzal]
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Here is another one using R25 fluffy fiberglass stuffed into a frame, instead of 703.....

http://webpages.charter.net/jdgeisen/BassTraps/BassTrap1.htm
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#149550 - 10/21/06 09:45 AM Re: M80s for HT and Music [Re: Riker]
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Stephane, what you describe sounds like the problem I originally had in my basement HT room. It was all one big huge room. The HT area was over in one of the corners, so I had a front wall, left wall, back wall, but NO right wall. It just opened up into the bigger overall room.

I ended up making a "bump out" wall on the right hand side which is about 6+ feet. I ended up making this into a closet area so I could easily get to the back of my AV gear. Plus it gave us extra storage. It also helped to set my screen back and looks better. Here is a picture of the right side, you can see the bump out closet I built along that entire wall...

Randy


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#149551 - 10/22/06 04:55 PM Re: M80s for HT and Music [Re: SirQuack]
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Hi Randy, Yes it is pretty close to my situation except your room is much bigger. Based on everyone's great feedback and specifically your advice I have decided to build a wall and enclose the room to make it a dedicated HT / Music room. So that I don't feel to confined in the smaller room I was thinking of using the widest pocket doors I can find that way I can always open both doors into the HT room and hopefully that will give me the "open" feel or at least it won't make the smaller room feel claustophobic.

Once I have built to the walls and pocket doors I will end up with a rectangle room of 17 feet long by 12 feet wide.

Can anyone tell me if those dimensions are pretty good or absolutely nasty ? I am hoping they are good because that's all I can really do. Once I have that dedicated room I can then put in corner superchunks, FRZ absorbers, Clouds etc..etc..


Also, Randy I noticed that your floor is carpet, same as mine except my carpet is much thinner ie: comercial and not high pile. I remember reading somewhere that it was preferable to have "hard" floors ? Ethan perhaps ? is that the case ? cause I kind of like my carpet.

Cheers,

Stephane
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#149552 - 10/22/06 06:26 PM Re: M80s for HT and Music [Re: Riker]
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Actualy, carpet is a good thing as it helps with the acoustics. Ethan has mentioned to many that if you have no carpet, you should put a throw rug or something down at least in the first reflection points to reduce echo's, etc... I used to have just concrete floors down here, it is like night and day once I installed the carpeting, and a heck of lot warmer.
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#149553 - 10/22/06 09:01 PM Re: M80s for HT and Music [Re: SirQuack]
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Excellent, that is good news. I just got Sketchup and I wil be using it to "visualize" my new room with the addition of the wall and doors etc.. I will be sure to put it up once I have completed the sketch for you guys to see. Since I have beaten this thread to death, I will open another one once I have the drawing done.

I have truly enjoyed my time so far in the Axiom forum, I just joined about a week ago, and it is because of fine individuals such as yourself, Ken, Rick, Robb, John B, John K and others.

Thank you ALL for sharing your advice, knowledge and experiences. Looking forward to contribute to this corner of the universe for a long while

Cheers,

Stephane
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#149554 - 10/22/06 09:09 PM Re: M80s for HT and Music [Re: Riker]
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You are to kind It is always a welcomed pleasure for a fine person as yourself to join our ranks. We might even try to talk you into buying some Axioms some day
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#149555 - 10/22/06 09:18 PM Re: M80s for HT and Music [Re: Wid]
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Thanks Rick,

I am planning to drive down to Dwigth and audition a pair of M80s with the EP600.. who knows, once I get my room fixed up properly I might still not be happy with my Veritas and want to change to some Axioms. Although I have never heard the Axiom I just know I will be very pleased when I do.

One step at a time, first the room, then the acoustic treatment (superchunks, traps on the wall, clouds, FRZ etc..) then possibly the new speakers

Cheers,
Steph
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#149556 - 10/22/06 10:56 PM Re: M80s for HT and Music [Re: Riker]
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Steph, as Randy's reply indicated, it's actually more important to have the floor(and/or ceiling)acoustically "soft". Some authorities(including Toole and Moulton)point out that some lateral early reflections from the side walls are beneficial from the standpoints of imaging and spaciousness, while vertical reflections don't seem to share this effect.

As to your room dimensions, the basic idea is to avoid having them equal or even multiples of each other. So, your proposed length and width are in excellent proportion. The ceiling height should also be considered.
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