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M22 for recording studio?
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Hey all,

Along with my home theatre I will be also building a drum room/recording studio down stairs.

I am planning to outfit the theatre first with some audio gear prior to purchasing anything for the studio. With that said, I will be able to test the M22s in the studio as I will be using them for the theatre.

My question is if any of you know of any recording studios that use the M22s as studio monitors? Or the M3s for that matter?

If so, how do they like them and do they compare to the likes of lower end Mackies with internal amps?

On a side note, a question for Axiom: Axiom has done alot of research and has been involved with the NRC, have you ever thought of developing a speaker with an internal amp for studio use?


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Hutzal #150107 10/24/06 10:25 PM
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Robb,

As a musician myself, I'm currently in the works of putting in a new recording studio, once my theater room gets done. New house ya know, got to do all this stuff all over again.

Anyways, I plan on running M22's. I know Aldo Nova uses M3's in his studio, or at least he was.

In my opinion it really boils down to what you prefer to hear, or how you like your sound. As I'm sure you know, the sound characteristics of the M22's and M3's are quite different. If you're looking for the most accurate in the reproduction, then my personal vote goes to the M22's. That said, the M3's are sweet too and would work extremelly well.

Hope this helps a little.

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Sutter Cane #150108 10/24/06 10:34 PM
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I do want an all around speaker. But the truth is that the predominant grenre being recorded will be R&B and Hip Hop.

I know that the M3 has a lower response, but will that response be deceptive to the actual recording?

On the flip side, the M22 have lack in the lower end (so I hear), so will that be deceptive as well?

Like I said before, I would love for Axiom to develop a studio monitor bookshelf with an internal amp, with all the technology they are involved with and developing, i wouldn't be suprised to see a stellar product from them that can compete with the likes of Mackie.


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I know Aldo Nova uses M3's in his studio, or at least he was




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It is a little disturbing, isnt it? haha

Bray did some photoshop mockups with a few forum members in that leather suit. Really funny stuff the first time I saw it.
What happened to Aldo Nova? Unfortunately the photos won't load.


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Hutzal #150112 10/25/06 01:26 AM
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>>On the flip side, the M22 have lack in the lower end (so I hear), so will that be deceptive as well?

In a moment of confusion, I once downloaded all the frequency response charts from Soundstage and overlaid them on top of each other to get a better understanding of how all the Axiom models compared. The results were surprising. The M22 actually puts out a bit *more* output at most frequencies below 100 Hz :

- M2 is flat to about 80-90 then drops like a stone

- M3 bumps up quite a bit and then drops off fairly quickly

- M22 is completely flat then drops off less quickly than either M2 or M3... or maybe it drops partway and levels off for a while, I forget...

Anyways, apparently the M3 *sounds* like it has a lot more bass because of the slight bump in the 100-150 Hz range, but in practice the M22 is very close. I was surprised how close the M3s and M60s sounded for casual listening...

I'm glad I don't have to choose reference speakers -- when I look at all the crappy stuff people normally use to listen to music... it seems like the kind of decision-making that would lead a rational person to despair.

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Robb, as John B. has indicated, any reports that you may have read about the bass response of the M22s may not be well-informed. The M3s certainly don't have greater bass extension; the slightly bumped-up M3 response in the upper bass lends what some consider to be more "fullness" in the bass, but it results from slightly overemphasizing fundamentals in the 100-150Hz area and likewise making 50-75Hz tones sound more prominant by emphasizing their 2nd harmonics at 100-150Hz.

My M22s, with room reinforcement, measure very flat with test tones down to about 60Hz, still very strong at 50Hz, and greatly reduced, but still usable, at 40Hz. I'd think that they'd serve very well as studio monitors.


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Remembering that mastering on Axioms may lead to recordings that sound really dull on most end-users speakers...

The same way my brother learned (when he was younger) doing a final mix-down with his whiz-bang Grado headphones wasn't a good idea... on anything else, there was nothing worthwhile below the mids.

I do like the idea of powered Axiom monitors for computer use. I have Edirol MA-20D micro nearfield monitors on two computers at work, because they're more compact and less pricey than M22s with 2 channel amps.

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BrenR #150115 10/25/06 05:53 AM
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Remembering that mastering on Axioms may lead to recordings that sound really dull on most end-users speakers...

The same way my brother learned (when he was younger) doing a final mix-down with his whiz-bang Grado headphones wasn't a good idea... on anything else, there was nothing worthwhile below the mids.

I do like the idea of powered Axiom monitors for computer use. I have Edirol MA-20D micro nearfield monitors on two computers at work, because they're more compact and less pricey than M22s with 2 channel amps.

Bren R.




Bren,

I've decided, or pretty much decided to go with M22's for my stuido, simply because I no longer making my living at this anymore. In other words, this is just another toy room for me. That said, I very well may rethink things a bit. After all, I'm too used to my ol' philosophy of if you're going to do something, do it right, or don't bother doing it at all.

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