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Upgrading to 7.1 possibly...
#150788 11/05/06 04:09 PM
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Ok so I've decided to upgrade to the EP500. Now I'm eyeing a pair of M80's. Currently my mains are the M22's. So I'm looking for some advice on this. If I got the M80's I could use the the M22's for the rear surrounds thus making a 7.1 system. But how would M22's sound for the rear surrounds versus another pair of QS8's? If it not going to sound good I'll just sell the M22's or use them in another room and possible order another pair of QS8's down the line. Just looking for some advice.

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Great decision on the 500.

I love my 80s and you would like them too.

I would first try the 500 with the 22s. You will find that the 500 fills the bill for the extra bass. Then maybe M3s or 2s in the rear.

Are you going to use the 350 as a second sub?

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Great decision on the 500.

I love my 80s and you would like them too.

I would first try the 500 with the 22s. You will find that the 500 fills the bill for the extra bass. Then maybe M3s or 2s in the rear.

Are you going to use the 350 as a second sub?




Not sure yet about the 350. I'm trying to avoid purchasing any other speakers like the m2 or m3's. If anything I would get another pair of QS8's. That's why I'm trying to see if the M22's would work well or not.

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jbsengineer #150791 11/05/06 04:51 PM
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The m22's would work well for the rear channels for movies as not much is decoded yet on the rear channel. However, if your receiver has Dolby Pro Logic IIx mode it can expand the left/right signals to the rear channel.

More music the m22's would do a great job, or if your watching a music DVD that is done in 5.1 and your using the PLIIx. The most important thing is that you have the Qs8's on the side, smart choice.


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jbsengineer #150792 11/05/06 04:58 PM
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For that kind of layout, with a good distance between rear surrounds and listening position, I think the M22s would be ideal.

I would take M22s over QS8s for rear surrounds in that room; however if the room were "shorter" ie the rear surrounds were going to be closer to you I would go with QS8s.


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The m22's would work well for the rear channels for movies as not much is decoded yet on the rear channel. However, if your receiver has Dolby Pro Logic IIx mode it can expand the left/right signals to the rear channel.

More music the m22's would do a great job, or if your watching a music DVD that is done in 5.1 and your using the PLIIx. The most important thing is that you have the Qs8's on the side, smart choice.




Randy,

I'm not understanding exactly what you are saying. My reciever does Dolby Pro Logic IIx. Are you saying for now the M22's would work well but once they start enconding more in 7.1 it won't? Or just the fact that there isn't many 7.1 sources to take advantage of the M22's yet?

I'm a newbie if case everyone hasn't guessed, .


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jbsengineer #150794 11/05/06 05:57 PM
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I’ve got M3’s as rear surrounds and quite honestly I just don’t understand what all the fuss is about regarding rear surround channels. Even with movies like LOTR’s that were recorded in DTS 6.1, there’s hardly anything coming from these channels. I think you could stick just about anything on the wall behind you and you’d do just fine. Even music…..there’s really not much coming from them. The most sound I’ve heard from my rear surrounds so far is listening to Pink Floyd, DSOTM in SACD Dolby PL IIX music. Pretty cool sounding CD, but still, even with this I think anything would sound just fine.

I also have a set of 22’s that I’m running in parallel with 80’s as mains. I’ve tried them as mains just to hear them and compare them to the 80’s. I also did this with the M3’s, but that’s anther story…… Definitely go for the 80’s. You’ll be happy.

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What can you tell me about the side by side comparison of the M80's and M22's?

HD-DVD's and Bluray will start encoding it 7.1 correct?


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jbsengineer #150796 11/05/06 06:22 PM
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Tonally, they are very close. They blend with the 80’s as a center very well. They also pump out a fair amount of sound for being so small. The 80’s just have a greater presences and I quickly came to the conclusion that there’s really no point trying to compare the two sets. It's like a feather weight fighting a middle weight. The feather weight can move a little faster, but he's just not strong enough to take the middle weight down and when he gets tagged, down he goes. The 80’s reach down lower and play so much louder it isn’t even funny. I actually prefer the M3’s over the 22’s as stand alone speakers. Add a sub to the mix and I’d pick the 22’s over the M3’s.

It doesn't really matter about the encoding because PLIIx does that too. Don't get me wrong, I'd definately go with rear surrounds, but just don't get to worked up over which speaker you put back there. If you have room, which you do, go with direct radiating seeing how you will have them. If a person doesn't have much room, and they have to buy something anyway then I'd tell them to go with some Q's. But if they already have the speakers, I'd tell them to use whatever they have and be done with it.

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The m22's will do a good job for both HT and music as a rear channel. I think they will do a little better on the music side of things, but are great for both. If your room was shorter I would say a Qs8 might do a little better as it has a tweeter firing left and right. Either way, you will have to figure out how to mount them near the back of the room..


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