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#150788 - 11/05/06 11:09 AM Upgrading to 7.1 possibly...
jbsengineer Offline
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Registered: 05/24/06
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Loc: Central New York
Ok so I've decided to upgrade to the EP500. Now I'm eyeing a pair of M80's. Currently my mains are the M22's. So I'm looking for some advice on this. If I got the M80's I could use the the M22's for the rear surrounds thus making a 7.1 system. But how would M22's sound for the rear surrounds versus another pair of QS8's? If it not going to sound good I'll just sell the M22's or use them in another room and possible order another pair of QS8's down the line. Just looking for some advice.

Here is a beautiful MS Paint image I created of the room. Forgot to put the VP150 in. But it's there.



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#150789 - 11/05/06 11:35 AM Re: Upgrading to 7.1 possibly... [Re: jbsengineer]
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Registered: 04/06/05
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Loc: Madisonville, KY
Great decision on the 500.

I love my 80s and you would like them too.

I would first try the 500 with the 22s. You will find that the 500 fills the bill for the extra bass. Then maybe M3s or 2s in the rear.

Are you going to use the 350 as a second sub?

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#150790 - 11/05/06 11:45 AM Re: Upgrading to 7.1 possibly... [Re: bugbitten]
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Great decision on the 500.

I love my 80s and you would like them too.

I would first try the 500 with the 22s. You will find that the 500 fills the bill for the extra bass. Then maybe M3s or 2s in the rear.

Are you going to use the 350 as a second sub?




Not sure yet about the 350. I'm trying to avoid purchasing any other speakers like the m2 or m3's. If anything I would get another pair of QS8's. That's why I'm trying to see if the M22's would work well or not.

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#150791 - 11/05/06 11:51 AM Re: Upgrading to 7.1 possibly... [Re: jbsengineer]
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The m22's would work well for the rear channels for movies as not much is decoded yet on the rear channel. However, if your receiver has Dolby Pro Logic IIx mode it can expand the left/right signals to the rear channel.

More music the m22's would do a great job, or if your watching a music DVD that is done in 5.1 and your using the PLIIx. The most important thing is that you have the Qs8's on the side, smart choice.
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#150792 - 11/05/06 11:58 AM Re: Upgrading to 7.1 possibly... [Re: jbsengineer]
bridgman Offline
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Registered: 08/25/04
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Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
For that kind of layout, with a good distance between rear surrounds and listening position, I think the M22s would be ideal.

I would take M22s over QS8s for rear surrounds in that room; however if the room were "shorter" ie the rear surrounds were going to be closer to you I would go with QS8s.

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#150793 - 11/05/06 12:43 PM Re: Upgrading to 7.1 possibly... [Re: SirQuack]
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The m22's would work well for the rear channels for movies as not much is decoded yet on the rear channel. However, if your receiver has Dolby Pro Logic IIx mode it can expand the left/right signals to the rear channel.

More music the m22's would do a great job, or if your watching a music DVD that is done in 5.1 and your using the PLIIx. The most important thing is that you have the Qs8's on the side, smart choice.




Randy,

I'm not understanding exactly what you are saying. My reciever does Dolby Pro Logic IIx. Are you saying for now the M22's would work well but once they start enconding more in 7.1 it won't? Or just the fact that there isn't many 7.1 sources to take advantage of the M22's yet?

I'm a newbie if case everyone hasn't guessed, .
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#150794 - 11/05/06 12:57 PM Re: Upgrading to 7.1 possibly... [Re: jbsengineer]
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Registered: 07/23/04
Posts: 3822
Loc: Up yonder
Iíve got M3ís as rear surrounds and quite honestly I just donít understand what all the fuss is about regarding rear surround channels. Even with movies like LOTRís that were recorded in DTS 6.1, thereís hardly anything coming from these channels. I think you could stick just about anything on the wall behind you and youíd do just fine. Even musicÖ..thereís really not much coming from them. The most sound Iíve heard from my rear surrounds so far is listening to Pink Floyd, DSOTM in SACD Dolby PL IIX music. Pretty cool sounding CD, but still, even with this I think anything would sound just fine.

I also have a set of 22ís that Iím running in parallel with 80ís as mains. Iíve tried them as mains just to hear them and compare them to the 80ís. I also did this with the M3ís, but thatís anther storyÖÖ Definitely go for the 80ís. Youíll be happy.
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#150795 - 11/05/06 01:03 PM Re: Upgrading to 7.1 possibly... [Re: michael_d]
jbsengineer Offline
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What can you tell me about the side by side comparison of the M80's and M22's?

HD-DVD's and Bluray will start encoding it 7.1 correct?
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#150796 - 11/05/06 01:22 PM Re: Upgrading to 7.1 possibly... [Re: jbsengineer]
michael_d Offline
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Registered: 07/23/04
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Tonally, they are very close. They blend with the 80ís as a center very well. They also pump out a fair amount of sound for being so small. The 80ís just have a greater presences and I quickly came to the conclusion that thereís really no point trying to compare the two sets. It's like a feather weight fighting a middle weight. The feather weight can move a little faster, but he's just not strong enough to take the middle weight down and when he gets tagged, down he goes. The 80ís reach down lower and play so much louder it isnít even funny. I actually prefer the M3ís over the 22ís as stand alone speakers. Add a sub to the mix and Iíd pick the 22ís over the M3ís.

It doesn't really matter about the encoding because PLIIx does that too. Don't get me wrong, I'd definately go with rear surrounds, but just don't get to worked up over which speaker you put back there. If you have room, which you do, go with direct radiating seeing how you will have them. If a person doesn't have much room, and they have to buy something anyway then I'd tell them to go with some Q's. But if they already have the speakers, I'd tell them to use whatever they have and be done with it.
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#150797 - 11/05/06 01:27 PM Re: Upgrading to 7.1 possibly... [Re: jbsengineer]
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Loc: Iowa
The m22's will do a good job for both HT and music as a rear channel. I think they will do a little better on the music side of things, but are great for both. If your room was shorter I would say a Qs8 might do a little better as it has a tweeter firing left and right. Either way, you will have to figure out how to mount them near the back of the room..
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