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Well if you just can't decide, get one of each  . Hide the EP500 somewhere in the room and put the STF-3 in the open. When the wife asks, you can say how good of a decision you made in going for the cheaper one  . Go on about how great it sound as your pictures start falling off the walls. You might want to hide your credit card bill though...
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Actually Jason, that's not a bad suggestion. Let's go ahead and add a little confusion for Pete. A PAIR of STF-3s , if you have the space is less expensive than the EP500 and having the pair would eliminate peaks/nulls. A pair of SVS PCis would be even better.
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Heck, my wife is telling me that I should just forgoe the usual jewelry and get her a pair of M80's. 
Wow, I can't believe no one commented on this!
Is it inappropriate for me to mention that I'm in love with your wife? 
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I'd much rather support Axiom or SVS
My brother-from-a-different-mother!
Peter, I'm sure you'll be happy with whatever you decide, and I do hope you're taking time to savor the decision making and anticipation process. I just wanted to interject that I perceive quite a bit of "upselling" in this hobby generally, and the law of diminishing returns remains in force. Technology is awesome, because things tend to cost about the same but keep getting better all the time. What a great time to be alive.
Ken, why did you say you were sorry to be compelled to agree with me?
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I must have glossed right over that, what a lucky guy.
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Well, I'm sorry that you threatened to burn down my house and cut off my fing...ohcrap. You said not to tell! Please don't kill me!
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The apology was to Wid. That thing is fugly.
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I have been watching season 6 of the Sopranos. We don't have HBO, so I've not seen it before the recent DVD release, which I eagerly anticipated after seeing the first five years in the same manner. We usually watch one episode a night. I find that, after about a week, my thinking process seems to be heavily laden with Jersey-accented F-bombs. Makes for an interesting exercise in self-control at the office.
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Actually Jason, that's not a bad suggestion. Let's go ahead and add a little confusion for Pete.
A PAIR of STF-3s , if you have the space is less expensive than the EP500 and having the pair would eliminate peaks/nulls. A pair of SVS PCis would be even better.
I agree with you about eliminating the peaks/nulls, but you can get as many STF-3's as you want and it won't really extend the bass any lower. This would be where the EP500 would still come out ahead. Either way, I'm not sure if Peter's interested in getting 2 subs. You 'can' get better sound with 2 subs, but there's a lot more tweaking with placement to get it just right. If its done prefectly wrong, they'll cancel completely and he'll be scratching his head. Call up HSU and tell them "The driver is shaking like mad, but there's no sound coming out... me thinks it broken?" One flip of the phase switch and all his windows blow out  . Reminds me of that commercial I saw awhile ago, Best Buy or Futureshop maybe??? Can't remember.
I guess 2 STF-3's is another setup to consider, but if I'm seeing things right, each STF-3 is $480 US + $53 US shipping. As far as I know the EP500 is regular $1200 US with free shipping, so it is pretty much the same if you go factory outlet for the 10% off. There's also more finish choices with the EP500, including the amazing High Gloss Cherry if you order for regular price. I'm not sure if Peter prefers the BBB (big black box) type or if he likes some color. Tough call, glad I already ordered my EP500 so I don't have to pick .
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. . . Call up HSU and tell them "The driver is shaking like mad, but there's no sound coming out... me thinks it broken?" One flip of the phase switch and all his windows blow out . . . .
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Yes, I'm pretty lucky in that my wife enjoys home theater as much as I do. In our annual discussion of who's getting what for whom for Christmas, she just brought up the fact that we could 'pool' our resources and just do a home theater upgrade. 
I'll never forget the time we were at one of our favorite home theater stores that had a pair of Energy Veritas 2.4i's and she fell in love with them. She was seriously ready to just buy them - and we'd gone to the store just to kill some time. 
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The point about two subs "eliminating peaks/nulls" shouldn't be taken too broadly(and maybe was intended in a narrow sense), although that configuration can have benefits in reducing some peaks. When two subs would be located opposite each other either at the middle of the front and back walls or the middle of the side walls they would minimize the primary length mode(side wall position)or width mode(front/back wall position)since those modes are at a minimum in the middle of the wall. While the length mode is at a maximum(front/back)and the width mode is at a maximum(side walls)in those positions, they're of opposite phase at the opposite walls and therefore tend to cancel each other. The net result is that the primary axial modes for both length and width would be minimized, although there are of course other modes that remain.
As to nulls, that's actually a disadvantage of two opposite subs at a certain frequency. Where the drivers are about a half wavelength apart and play the same sound a partial null results. For example, if subs on opposite sidewalls had their drivers about 12' apart, that would be a half wavelength at about 47Hz(560/12)and some cancellation would occur in that area.
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