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#157318 - 02/02/07 02:27 PM Re: Disturbing Conduct by SVS [Re: Ajax]
BrenR Offline
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Registered: 12/10/03
Posts: 3602
Loc: Winnipeg MB Canada
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If they made crap, I could understand behavior like this, but they don't make crap.


The company themselves don't seem to share owners' enthusiasm for their product... either they're worried about, or experiencing, declining sales and have resorted to this kind of huckstering, even after Sony was spanked over doing it for the PS3.

I mean, you always have to take anything you read with a grain of salt... getting to the point where you have to assume everything is a lie until proven otherwise.

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#157319 - 02/02/07 03:29 PM Re: Disturbing Conduct by SVS [Re: Ajax]
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Registered: 10/03/05
Posts: 851
Loc: Toronto
Jack has seen alot of the same fanboy marketing deception over at AVS and has often been subjected to attacks there as well. Its ironic how this kind of unethical conduct has a way of catching up to companies that condone it. Its really short term thinking because many people will not want to buy products from companies that conduct their business to that lowly standard. Especially when there are so many other great competitively priced subs to choose from. What a bunch of lowlifes.

Audioholics must have wrestled with this dilemna but their decision reflects a strong sense of right and wrong. It's reassuring to see that many people will not tolerate this kind of business ethic.
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#157320 - 02/02/07 06:33 PM Re: Disturbing Conduct by SVS [Re: jakeman]
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Registered: 04/01/03
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Loc: Los Angeles
yes...kudos to audioholics as well. It's always been one of my favorite audio websites.
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#157321 - 02/02/07 06:40 PM Re: Disturbing Conduct by SVS [Re: spiffnme]
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Registered: 07/26/06
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>>yes...kudos to audioholics as well. It's always been one of my favorite audio websites.>>

If it wasn't for Audioholics, I wouldn't even have an Axiom System! They should get my commission check!
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#157322 - 02/03/07 04:13 AM Re: Disturbing Conduct by SVS [Re: Hutzal]
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Registered: 02/03/07
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Loc: The Beach, Toronto
They (Audioholics) have my cheque (checkU$). The minute I heard about this, I signed up with Audioholics as a (quite small, miniscule actually) advertiser. I felt it was worth a few bucks to support their dismissal of SVS for predatory marketing tactics.

I was quite fond of SVS at one point, strictly from the point of view that "hey, those guys found out that you can make subs out of hardware store parts".

No argument with their ability to actually build - and sell - bass cabinets (and praises to SVS for hiring Ed Mullen), but I'm fed up with neo-social-network-marketing (all marketing, in fact). It became all too obvious that some companies are using this media to push their product.

Audioholics brought me to Axiom, and I decided to give some love back. A drop in the bucket, I know, but it's a good bucket.

btw, After checking out many other sub MFGs, I bought Axiom. Had to return the first one (EP-500, WAY too much SPL for my neighbours ), but looking forward to the EP-400 (ooh, yeah - feel it on the inside!)
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#157323 - 02/03/07 07:14 AM Re: Disturbing Conduct by SVS [Re: jakeman]
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Registered: 12/30/03
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Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
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Jack has seen alot of the same fanboy marketing deception over at AVS and has often been subjected to attacks there as well.



Indeed! As David Bott pointed out in the post I quoted earlier in this thread, things have quieted considerably over at AVS. However, even in the thread in which Mr. Bott posted, there were a couple of "fanboys" vigorously defending the company in question by attacking those who posted critical comments about this type of unethical marketing, accusing them of "agendas" and attempting to justify this dishonest marketing with the old "Well they aren't the only one doing it" argument. That may be true, but it's irrelevant. And, both Audioholics and AVS are worthy of praise for clamping down on those who resort to deceptive marketing tactics.
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#157324 - 02/03/07 09:55 AM Re: Disturbing Conduct by SVS [Re: Ajax]
chesseroo Offline
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Registered: 05/13/02
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Loc: western canada
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both Audioholics and AVS are worthy of praise for clamping down on those who resort to deceptive marketing tactics



Someone want to explain to me why we can't do this with car salesmen?

I think everyone becomes a 'fanboy' at some point or another, until their horizons broaden. To show proof, we could always start another "Axioms are bright" thread.



Edited by chesseroo (02/03/07 09:56 AM)
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#157325 - 02/03/07 10:20 AM Re: Disturbing Conduct by SVS [Re: Ajax]
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Registered: 10/03/05
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Loc: Toronto
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And, both Audioholics and AVS are worthy of praise for clamping down on those who resort to deceptive marketing tactics.




Deceptive marketing tactics don't just stop in the marketing department and are indicative of a low ethical standard throughout a company. In my years in business I've found a fairly high correlation between companies that condone low standards of behaviour and other misleading practices. Specs are often misrepresented for example.

I've noticed that no independent parties have ever been able to replicate the unusually flat FR curves presented at the SVS site except for the PB10. I certainly wasn't able to come up with any linear FR above 40hz with my testing of the Ultra. Neither did the independently done graphs at AVTalk and Home Theatre Shack. It reminds me of my grandmother and how she would always say "you can't fool all the people all the time."
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#157326 - 02/03/07 01:13 PM Re: Disturbing Conduct by SVS [Re: chesseroo]
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Registered: 09/27/04
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To show proof, we could always start another "Axioms are bright" thread.





I prefer instead to think that Axiom owners are bright.
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#157327 - 02/03/07 03:14 PM Re: Disturbing Conduct by SVS [Re: chesseroo]
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Registered: 12/30/03
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Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
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both Audioholics and AVS are worthy of praise for clamping down on those who resort to deceptive marketing tactics




Someone want to explain to me why we can't do this with car salesmen?



Laughed aloud at this.

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I think everyone becomes a 'fanboy' at some point or another, until their horizons broaden.



I agree with this statement. When I remember how amazed I was upon hearing my Axioms, finding them head and shoulders above anything I'd ever heard and owned, I became an instant "fanboy." However, even though my horizons have "broadened" I still remain a huge "fan" of the company, the people, and the product.

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To show proof, we could always start another "Axioms are bright" thread.



My problem with the "Axioms are bright" statement is that, since some people don't find them bright, any all-inclusive, absolute statement, either way, cannot be accurate. IMHO, such a statement is the classic error of thinking one's experience with a given product will define everyone's experience with that product. Now if you want to make it "some people find Axioms bright," you'll get no argument from me.
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