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Also, "there's a sucker born every minuite" (P.T. Barnum) BUT.......if there were THIS many "suckers", for THIS many years,....none of us would likely have time to be on the boards.....we would ALL have companies, selling stuff to them! It's still an interesting thread.........Spish made a splash,.... Ajax added some class,..... and JohnK...can't be swayed.........even though his wires are likley frayed. 
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ugh... i think only one or two of you actually answered my original question! (thank you!).
First I would point out that any question asked here is a request. I can't speak for anyone else here, but the more that request comes off as a demand, the less interested I am in providing an answer. However, since the only question I could find in your first post, thus making it your "original question," had to do with anyone hearing of Anti-Cables. I have no qualms in answering "Nope"
I will concur that referring to those who disagree with you as "haters," implying that anyone who disagrees with you may simply be "jealous that [you] could (at one time) justify $1200 for a set of cables and [you] could still afford to go out to dinner that night," calling those of us who would rather trust scientific evidence rather than your ears "wannabe scientific," referring to those who disagree with you as "so called, audiophiles," and suggesting that those who disagree with you "need to get their heads out of their asses," does indeed make you appear to be a post-whoring troll," and is certainly not going to encourage anyone to answer your questions, or feel warm and fuzzy about your presence here.
Everyone is free to express their opinions here. But how you express them has a lot to do with how you are treated. It's your choice.
Jack
"People generally quarrel because they cannot argue." - G. K. Chesterton
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Perhaps it is important to note what the margins are on all cables. I worked for a company that merged with a cable reseller (computer cables, but...) The margins were insane. SCSI cables cost the reseller about $1, they were sold for $80. It is a snake oil industry--or at least one that knows it has the market cornered.
And there's plenty of suckers out there, for all sorts of things. Certain types of "medicine" spring to mind.
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I don't feel like I can live up to Jack's prose today, and his eloquence seems to have had no effect on the level of discourse, anyway, so in the spirit of the intolerance displayed by the original poster and the context of our fourth gray month in a row... Quote:
they changed the sound of my speakers
How do you KNOW this? Did you do double blind listening? I'm quite sure they changed your perception of the sound of your speakers, and they may very well have changed the objective sound, but how can any of us know for sure?
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or the rest of the haters:
Okay, I'm going to call BS on this. I didn't hear anybody "hate" anything, and for you to tar multiple, unspecified individuals with the term "hater" is inflammatory bigotry, at best.
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no offense but i don't care about your beliefs
I tell my children that if you have to start a sentence with that disclaimer, you obviously KNOW it is going to offend someone and you ought not say it. If you don't care about other people's beliefs, why ask a question on a public message board?
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maybe you're just jealous that I could (at one time) justify $1200 for a set of cables
Maybe I'm just jealous of your superior intellect or golden ears. Your assertion was the most condescending thing I've read in a long time. Grow up.
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frankly I don't care. with all due respect, the wannabe scientific, so called, "audiophiles" need to get their heads out of their asses long enough...
Entirely disrespectful and uncalled for.
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and i'm sorry if we all got off on the wrong foot here. i'm really not a post-whoring troll, honest!
Hogwash. You're not sorry and you are a troll.
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Look, let's use logic, and common sense.
OBVIOUSLY, for "high end" speaker cable manufacturers (like Monster, etc.) to STILL be around after all these years...(I got my first set in the 70's)
MEANS,.....that there HAS to be something to it.
Ok, let's use logic and common sense. My response to the above statement is, Why? Why does something, anything, STILL being around after all these years prove that there HAS to be something to it?
Since inexpensive speaker wire has been around as many years, if not more years, than expensive speaker wire, couldn't the same argument be made in it's favor?
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IF they, and all the other brands,types, and configurations, did NOTHING.....then the very cables some of you guys seem to loath, would not exist.
First, I don't believe any of us "loathe" any particular cable. What we "loathe" is anyone spending an unnecessary amount of money on cables under the impression that extra expense is going to make their system sound better that any reasonably priced, well made, speaker cable.
I'm sure that $1200 speaker cables sound good, and would happily use them if given to me, or if I could get them for a reasonable price. It is my opinion, and I assume that of the others who agree with me, that well made $30 speaker cable will provide equally good sound. One could easily argue that those on your side of the argument "loathe" the inexpensive cable, since you would probably not use them at any price.
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EVEN IF my cables did nothing for the sound quality.....I would STILL buy them, (or a similar brand, and type) for the factory ends, wire gauge, and gold connectors,....... CLEARLY a superior signal pathway/connection.
And that brings up something I've said many times before. "Because I like it," and "because I want it" are two perfectly valid reasons for any purchase. No one need justify how, or on what, they spend their money. But, when recommending to others how, or on what, they spend theirs, I feel some justification is necessary. YMMV
Jack
"People generally quarrel because they cannot argue." - G. K. Chesterton
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Hey if he wants to spend $1200 on cables and he can afford it... well it's his money.
On the other hand I told my buddy that I just bought a new sub (EP-500) and it cost me $1300. He thinks I'm nuts. I guess it's all a matter of perspective.
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Hi Splish... I happen to disagree with you about cables and hope I'm not lumped in with the 'haters' you alluded to (Although I'm sure I am). Show me a link to a double blind study or other evidence that supports your belief, and I'll have an open mind and consider it. All I have ever seen is the opposite. You've got the "I know what I hear" approach. Not good enough. Though Anti-Cables seem to be a descent cable at a descent price, I don't believe they'll change the way my M80's sound. My 16 gauge wire will do nicely, thank you. Speakers and room acoustics are the dynamic duo to concentrate on. Hmm, guess what NUMBER 1 is in this article? The Ten Biggest Lies in AudioIt's not a double-blind study, (although there are plenty to be found online), but it sums up my approach. You're entitled to your opinion, but please don't bash others who don't agree.
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I could always grab my 4 gauge booster cables and hook them up, should give me incredible sound. 
You might be onto something here, mabey we can setup a double blind listening test to see if it will make a difference? I think we should start with a 4 gauge cable to the sub carrying the .1 LFE, I can't wait to see what that would sound like!
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BUT.......if there were THIS many "suckers", for THIS many years,....none of us would likely have time to be on the boards.....we would ALL have companies, selling stuff to them!
Nuff Said
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...Spish made a splash,.... Ajax added some class,..... and JohnK...can't be swayed.........even though his wires are likley frayed.
Good stuff! Sums up this thread very nicely! 
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Come on!! You guys are forgetting that cryogenic freezing has the biggest impact on sound!! It aligns the space-time continuum within the cable to provide a zero resistance path for electrons to flow into the flux capacitor. (Oil impregnated, of course)
Shawn
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