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Don't fall into the 1080p trap:
http://hometheater.about.com/od/televisionbasics/qt/1080ppitfall.htm

Perhaps I've been lucky with Happy Feet, no problems with my old 360 add-on or the Toshiba. What player are you using?

Have you updated the firmware lately? There is a new one available in the US. Version 1.5 according to Toshiba's site.

Axiom man,

You're not passionate over this are you??

The only way you can truly notice a difference is I’ve as I’ve already outlined above (but there is a difference). You need to send a 1080P/24 24 video stream to a display that will accept that video stream without re-scaling it. The only way you will be able to do that is with an external scaler or with the two BR players that output 1080P/24 (forgot which models that is). All others that output 1080P/60, pull 1080i off the disk, then de-interlace it and apply 2/3 cadence to get 60 fps. The PS3 is rumored to be getting a firmware update that will pull the native 1080/24 data off the disk, but I’m not holding my breath waiting for it. Plus, my VP-50 does a pretty remarkable job de-interlacing 1080i and outputting 1080P/24/24.

Although I do not think there is a big time, slap in the face difference between 720P/60 and 1080P/24, it is most definitely there (1080P/60 is not as great a difference). I can toggle back and forth between all formats and frame rates with the VP and see the difference. I have to look for it, but it is there. If you don’t have this capability, don’t fret over it though. It’s not enough to make me shed tears if I were to loose it. All HD looks great. Some just look a wee-bit greater….

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I have to look for it, but it is there. If you don’t have this capability, don’t fret over it though. It’s not enough to make me shed tears if I were to loose it. All HD looks great. Some just look a wee-bit greater….

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When the dvdp progressive scans first came out, i bought a version of the same non-progressive Panasonic that i still have now, but a year later obviously.
We tried some a/b switching running the same movie. We also got another dvdp which had the progressive switch on the front and one could turn it on and off by pressing that button.
Through this we determined that the difference in 480i/p was so minimal that the hype surrounding it was mostly marketing ra ra.
However, going with the higher resolution 1080 feed has been a truly huge difference from standard 480 feeds. I have yet to see if the 1080i/p test turns out similar to the 480i/p.
First i would need a 1080p tv....hmmmm....

I just can't see the diffence and I hate it when it is presented to us in a way to make us think hey spend a few more thousands because this is better ,when the truth is something else.
Kinda like washing your clothes in sunlight or ABC I can't see the difference
my eyes probably won't see the difference it is to fast and I don't think myself that is, that that extra frame I may get is worth an extra $1000 - $2000. If I had disposable income, that I would never get to see in my life ,I would buy 1080p just to say I have top-of-the-line

Chess, where you will (or maybe “should” is a better word than “will”) see a difference between I and P is with video and sports. Most sports are video based….btw. If you do decide to do a test, try ESPN HD. In truth, the only way to really appreciate a good video processor / scaler and understand why some people are as anal about video as Axiom board members are about audio, is with the use of test patterns and specific scenes in movies where there are known artifacts and other undesirable flaws that only a really good processor/scaler can get rid of. But who in the hell wants to sit around and watch test patterns all day??? I do not find that enjoyable.

But if anyone is really interested in doing a simple and cheap “test”, pop in Mission Impossible III / HD/DVD. I forget the scene number, but it’s the staircase scene when the crew is breaking into Vatican City. This is where you can most definitely see the difference between true 1080P/24 and all other formats. The stairs look flawless without artifacts on my display at 1080P/24 and almost as good at 1080P/60. If I bypass the VP-50 and send 1080i to my projector which will scale it to 1080P/60 (Pany 1000U), the staircase looks like a waterfall almost. It looked even worse with the Pany 900 outputting 720P.

……..I’ve learned to not look for these anomalies. Once you start, that’s all you see and the movie watching experience becomes less enjoyable. Just enjoy what you have and don’t get sucked into watching test patterns.

Axiom Man,

I am not advocating anyone dump extra coin to get a 1080P display device. Quite the contrary and I agree with you. It’s just not worth it.

If there is anywhere worth putting some extra coin down, that would be with a display that has excellent contrast, blacks, accurate color and lumen output. I would rather put an extra grand into a 720P projector with these traits than a 1080P projector with crappy blacks. For example, Sim2 has some outstanding 720P projectors on the market that will blow away most 1080P units, but they are proud of them….

I am happy with my 1000U and would not go back to the 900, but that’s not because of its resolution. It just has a better picture and it’s a better projector. Plus, it can be bought for $3800 on line and Panasonic just raised the rebate from $400 to $1000 and bumped up the warrantee to 3 years. And if you buy one from Projector People, they throw in an Oppo 981 for free. For that price it’s hard to pass up.

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where you will (or maybe “should” is a better word than “will”) see a difference between I and P is with video and sports. Most sports are video based….btw. If you do decide to do a test, try ESPN HD. In truth, the only way to really appreciate a good video processor / scaler and understand why some people are as anal about video as Axiom board members are about audio, is with the use of test patterns and specific scenes in movies where there are known artifacts and other undesirable flaws that only a really good processor/scaler can get rid of. But who in the hell wants to sit around and watch test patterns all day??? I do not find that enjoyable.

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I have read about this, that sports have the edge in showing progressive scan material but frankly with our LCD tv which to me still has that 'lag' look to it, i doubt i would be able to see any difference with i vs p.
Although i can say i'm a huge audio/videophile, i am certainly not a purist who believes that every test pattern flag fault that can be measured is worth extra cost or effort for an artifact that "may" be visible here and there "if" one has to look for it. I know there are many out there who are purists though and certainly i can only benefit from their scrutiny of picture quality, so i'm not complaining.

Still, i would not pass up the chance to see an equal test of i vs p if it were available to do. Unfortunately this is not something i am setup to attempt in our media room and any setup at the local box store would not be trusted any further than i could throw the store.
Speaker switching is one thing, but tv switching i just don't have the bucks to manage. Now if someone were to come visit, ship along their identical big screen tv with p capability, toss a few spare dvdp and appropriate content movies in their sacks and bring at least one quality bottle of wine from their region, NOW we've got something going!!

mdrew,
I agree with you, I plan on getting a full 1080 HD, just for the 1080i. I am not saying it is a waste.... if the price is right or even if they are the same $$$$....
Hell, I am looking for a 1080 HDTV, but I am not going to fret over it.
Therein lies the problem with the transmittion of a 1080p signal unless it recieves 1080p/24 most HD TV's cannot accept this, so you end up taking 1080p dropping it to 1080i via HDMI then the tv upscales it back to 1080p.