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Does Axiom have plans for the M60s to be reviewed by any audio publications in the near future? Thank

Don't trust audio publication reviews. Trust us. I don't think a single person here has a bad thing to say about the M60s.

On that note, have you asked Amie if there are any M60 owners in your area willing to give you a demo?

I'm a M60 owner, and love them. Are they perfect? No. But for the money (hell, for twice the money) they're the best speaker I could find. (and I demoed a TON of speakers!) PM me if you'd like some more thoughts.

reading reviews of the m22ti, m80ti, and m2i would give a pretty good indication of the m60ti performance. they are said to have nearly the same performance in the frequency range that are common to them. they all use the same drivers for midrange and treble. the big difference is in power handling, sensitivity, and bass extension.

Does anyone know what are the crossover frequencies of the M60s ?

No offense intended, but why do people ask about this?

Inquiring minds want to know!

I don't know. I can't think of a single reason why that would be a helpful piece of info to have when comparing speakers. A higher or lower crossover point compared to a different speaker doesn't make it better.

It would be interesting, however, to compare two nearly identical speakers -- the only difference being their crossover points.

I own them too. Couldn't be happier. Upgraded from the M50s and damn glad I did.

Had some friends over for a little poker game on Sunday and demoed the pod racing scence from ATC. H/K 525, M60s, M3s, VP150 and a VTF-2. I'm shooting the video onto a homemade screen with an X1 projector.

They were speachless. One friend just burst out laughing "This is friggin awesome! Way better than going to the theater!". Must say, I felt a bit like a proud papa.

Axiom has reported both 200 and 300hz for the lower crossover and 2,700 and 3,400hz for the crossover to the tweeter, although I believe that it was said later that 3,400 was incorrect.

Thanks, JohnK. (any axiom tech online to confirm ?)
Kcarlile - my reason for asking went something like this (it might be a naive/not-very-useful one but it is a reason ;-) ):
say, instead of the value of 300hz given by johnk for the woofer crossover, it was 150 Hz (as in the case of B&W DM603 S3). Since my receiver has a fixed sub crossover at 100 hz, I get some idea of how much or how little work the woofers on the M60 would be doing when the sub is hooked up.

btw, if the front speakers are configured as "large", does the receiver send the "full range" frequencies to them or does it only send the frequencies above the crossover setting ?

cheers.

Any speaker set "large" gets the full frequency range, so if there's a good sub, set all speakers "small" regardless of how big they are physically.

Y'know John, I've been playing around with all those small and large settings and I would have to agree that for HT small all around with the sub cranked way up provides the best (loudest and clearest) sound. For 2-channel music though, I reset the M60s to large and turn the sub down (unless it's reggae or some other bass emphasized music - I keep the sub volume high). The sound from the M60s set to large is just softer and more natural sounding to my ears.

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with the sub cranked way up

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I haven't touched my sub's level -- for music or movies -- since I calibrated it. Have you tried level-calibrating your sub to match your speakers?

I callibrated with the speakers set to large, but have yet to re-callibrate with them set to small - just laziness. Every time we start a movie I think, "I need to callibrate." But then I think, "Do I want to hear my 9 month pregnant wife's exasperated sigh and comments about obsession?" Maybe I'll go callibrate right now.

So it gets worse? My wife is, let's see here... << counting on fingers >> 6 months along and she requires more and more of my attention daily.

I'm really glad my system doesn't need tweaking right now, otherwise I'd be really frustrated.

It got easier a couple months ago when I decided to stop trying to reason with her, make her feel better, calm her down, whatever. I suppose it's understandable - she looks like she swallowed a beach ball.

LOL. I just tell myself a happy mamma = a happy baby. When I massage her, the baby tends to start doing somersaults (or something). I guess the endorphines that get released during the massage are shared between mother and child.

But now we're COMPLETELY off topic...

bigwill, hope she does not read this board; i'm sure she would be pleased about her description.
dan

Your wife is 6 months along and you are only frustrated by lack of speaker clibration time?

I figured that was the most relevant issue to this board. And besides... < whispering > she's been known to look over my shoulder while I'm on the forum from time to time.

I reckon I'm not the most sensitive guy around - I give a massage with one thing in mind, y'know.
The beachball thing ain't that bad. I very innocently told her the other day - I was just joking around - that a particular dress she wears makes her look like a giant blue potato with toothpicks sticking out of it. I was amazed at how teary eyed she got.

You said that?! My wife has pretty thick skin, but pregnancy seems to have thinned it...

Here's some advice that I actually read in a book for soon-to-be Daddies. I would following it:

Under no circumstances should you make an "Alien" movie reference during the delivery.

Oh my god Bill, you Kill ME !!! hahaha..
You know in the movies, when the bad guy makes a move toward the hero ? And then the hero moves his hand over to his gun side, and has that "Go ahead, make my day" look in his eyes ?
Well, that's my wife when I start to cross that thin line between what "I" think is funny and she "DONT !!" hahahaha

She's a thin girl and I didn't think she would be sensitive about her weight - even now, when the increase is temporary. Oh well.

They sure can get squirrly when they're pregnant, but let me tell ya right now son, YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET !!!
It's called The Change of Life.. Ohhhhh yeah....
You have some time, this is just fare warning.. It's coming, and you can't do a thing to stop it..
Get back to me when you guys are closer to your fifties..

Mikey.....great post!!! I know what you mean and I'm "only" 39!!

You guys make me feel old... A 43-year-old papa of three girls, 16, 11 and 9...

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I callibrated with the speakers set to large, but have yet to re-callibrate with them set to small - just laziness.

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And back to the subject, I don't think you have to re-calibrate the sub level with the speakers set to Small. On most receivers, one calibration should take care of the rest.

AH! Then maybe I don't like it with the speakers set to small. After calibrating to large settings and then switching to small their was a noticeable lack of bass. We were watching "The Fast and the Furious" and those stupid little cars sounded more like bees buzzing. I cranked the sub up to 12 o'clock (from aound 9:30 - 10:00) and it sounded much better - fuller and more like a car should sound. EP350 had no problems at that level and I enjoyed the rest of the flick (though it is an incredibly stupid movie).

Hey tobz...tell me a little more about your upgrade from 50's to 60's. I have had my 50's for a little over a year and I am starting to get the itch. Did you sell your 50's and if so did you have a hard time selling them?

Jason

Well... Sounds like you do need to recalibrate then. LOL

You mostlikely know this ...when you set you receiver to big the full frequency gets sent to the mains. Whatever setting you have on your sub will play at its own crossover point. So if you set your man to large and your speaker rolls off at 27Hz and you have your sub set to roll off at 80 hz. You would have both your sub and mains playing the same frequency between 80-27 Hz. Gving a nice full sound. If you had it all that time and switched to small you receiver would send all the frequencies below 80hz (thats if you set it at that) to the sub exclusively. It would definitely sound less fuller because your sub will be playing all frequencies below 80 and your mains will not. (not considering the roll-off of the mains) It is a preference between every individual. Some set it to large some set it to small. Definitely setting it to large for HT gives a nice ummmppphhhhh!!!!

Mark, as Sat indicated, if all you did was switch to "small" without any other change, the overall bass level would be decreased because the M60s would be doing less in the low bass. So, some re-calibration to increase the EP350's output was in order, but be careful about the "fullness" factor. The sound shouldn't be any more "full" than what's on the recording, so the sub shouldn't be turned up so high that it's heard as a separate source. Of course, as always, it's your money, so adjust things as you like.

True, but if your goal is accurate sound reproduction, ummmppphhhhh will kill ya.

I like the uummpphh (sp?). And I definitely like my music to come from the mains rather than the sub so large setting is more convenient.
Small settings, with the sub at 12 o'clock, provided louder sound but it did seem less integrated.
I keep switching back and forth. For Monsoon Wedding, a very nice Indian movie with surprisingly good sound effects, I had to switch the mains to small to understand the dialogue. Same with Gosford Park.

there is a little confusion I have about how the bass filter in the reciever works. In Saturn and JohnK 's comments above, it seems that even when fronts are set to Large, the subwoofer filter will STILL send the <80Hz content meant for the fronts channels to the Subwoofer as well. Is this the case ?

I would think that the receiver would ONLY send the <80 Hz content that is meant for the OTHER channels/speakers (marked as Small) to the Sub and NOT send any <80 content meant for the Fronts (which are marked as Large). Wouldn't sending the <80 content to both the large Fronts and the Sub potentially result in phasing issues between the 80-27 Hz fronts channel output coming from the Fronts and that same channel content coming from the Sub as well ?

audioseeker,

It depends on the receiver, but many receivers allow you to select either YES or PLUS subwoofer modes (these names differ from brand to brand). In YES mode, the sub receives the LFE channel plus the low-pass signals taken only from the channels that are set to SMALL. The sub does not receive any signal from the channels that are set to LARGE.

In contrast, in PLUS mode, the sub will play the LFE in addition to low-pass signals from all channels, regardless of whether they are set to SMALL or LARGE. You are correct that the PLUS mode can cause a phase-related problem (comb filtering) between the identical bass sound coming simultaneously from the LARGE front channels and the sub.

In the end, the best way is to experiment with all of these configurations, and pick the setting that sounds best. But the subwoofer set to YES at 80Hz, with all main channels set to SMALL, would be a good starting point (in fact, this is the setup recommended by THX).

I'm 49, have 3 boys--20, 19, and 16 and I've just discovered the wonder that is axiom audio. I can't believe I actually listened to Technics for 20 years. When my wife was pregnant I found her to be more attractive. She had a certain glow, a certain smile, even a swagger I found appealing.

The wonderful sound of the new speakers made her look more attractive to you? Those are some good speakers!!