Re: Mains=large: bass redirection for stereo mater
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Troy, that was awfully hard to follow. Maybe if you could clarify a bit a good response would be possible.
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Re: Mains=large: bass redirection for stereo mater
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Perhaps if you're on some medication, you could wait until just before taking your next dose?
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Re: Mains=large: bass redirection for stereo mater
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Yes, yes it was bad .....
Ok, to clarify Why do we buy MT80's for our systems if we run them in small mode …. Are they not full range? Why not buy the MT22 and pair them with a EP500. Just seems to be wasting money on the MT80's if I am not going to use them as full range speakers.
as to the other part We would have MT80's and a Sub. What I am getting at here is the 80's are good to about 35hz ...So engineer an receiver or Processor that you could setup as Mains + LFE ( as in my Denon settings ) Now the mains (MT80) would get all frequencies down to 35hz, but with the exception that at the specified cut off say 60hz. Now once the frequency hits 60hz it would start to tail off until it gets to say 40hz were there would actually be no signal going to the Mains At the same time when to sound goes into the 80hz area the sub would get little signal as it gets closer to 60hz more signal goes to the sub bring up the db's , as the frequencies get in the 60hz - 50 hz zone the MT80’s would more or less pass off to the sub.
Kind of like if I had a fire hose and on the end is a Y splitter with a dial on it. Now the water in the hose can be a trickle at times to full force ……Letting water represent frequency ( the more water the lower the frequency), all the water coming down the hose is going out channel "A" as the water pressure builds up, I turn the dial water starts trickling out channel "B" this is the point where the sub is starting to get some frequencies below 60hz, so as more water flows out Channel B the frequencies go lower ( turning the dial )more water goes to channel B. At the same time the pressure gets less in Channel A to the point where the water representing 60hz and below is all going to Channel B. At this point the MT80's will only be getting 60 Hz and above while the sub gets 60hz and lower. It is at this point where if I had 100lbs of pressure 25 % would be going through Channel A and 75% would be going to channel B.
I hope this makes sense
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Oh and sorry my apologies my writing is terrible actually worse than terrible
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Re: Mains=large: bass redirection for stereo mater
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Quote:
as to the other part We would have MT80's and a Sub. What I am getting at here is the 80's are good to about 35hz ...So engineer an receiver or Processor that you could setup as Mains + LFE ( as in my Denon settings ) Now the mains (MT80) would get all frequencies down to 35hz, but with the exception that at the specified cut off say 60hz. Now once the frequency hits 60hz it would start to tail off until it gets to say 40hz were there would actually be no signal going to the Mains At the same time when to sound goes into the 80hz area the sub would get little signal as it gets closer to 60hz more signal goes to the sub bring up the db's , as the frequencies get in the 60hz - 50 hz zone the MT80’s would more or less pass off to the sub.
I think you are describing exactly how it works now. A setup with a sub and mains set to small. The crossover point is not a hard transition point, but a gradual one. The mains are rolled off at the crossover (say 80 hz) at 24 dB per octave- so the further below 80 Hz the quieter they get. For example, playing at 90 dB the mains would gradualy decrease volume below the 80Hz crossover. At 1 octave below the crossover (40 Hz), the mains would still be getting signal at 66 dB.
The exact same thing happens with the sub, just in the opposite direction. Above the 80 Hz x-over the signal sent to the sub is reduced at 24dB per octave. So in the case above of a 90 dB signal going to the sub, it rolls off and becomes only 66 dB at 1 octave higher of 160 Hz.
I hope I didn't further confuse the issue. Just trying to be of help.
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Re: Mains=large: bass redirection for stereo mater
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Troy, that's a bit clearer now, and as Dave commented, what you're proposing is similar to what can happen now. If the mains/sub crossover would be set at 60Hz the mains would be rolled off at 12dB per octave below 60Hz, while the sub would be rolled off at 24dB per octave above 60Hz. So, there's a blend of the mains and sub in the crossover area and as the frequency got lower the mains would do less and less, while as the frequency got higher than the crossover set the sub would do less and less.
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