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When did they sneak the 980 in there??? That looks like a real dandy. DSD over HDMI!! That would make it the first SACD player in the US that will output pure DSD. Sweeeetttt.
Well, I don't know when it was added to the web site, but as you can see, the web site says "(Pre-order, ships in 2-4 wks)" so it's not really available yet.
It does look sweet, doesn't it. Since it seems to be aimed at 1080p DLPs, and since I have one of those, I may have to pick up a 980 to last me until the HD-DVD/BluRay dust settles a bit more. 
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I have a Denon 2200 that I use in the bedroom and have always been very impressed with the DVD picture quality and sound, I always thought even without upscaling it was a match for my old 3910, it uses the Silicon Image PureProgressive (SiL504) Decoding Engine that was supposed to be superior to the DCDi by Faroudja. From what I've read it never got widely used due to compatability issues and cost.
That said, I'm not sure you would get a better picture from the Oppo, but it certainly is a bargain.
Thanks. Though I'm not as concerned about PQ (for now). Technically, everything is hooked to a 480p plasma so it's relative. I just wanted to make sure I'm not making big sacrifices in audio quality by swapping out the 2200.
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I was going to get the 981HD, but now that I see the 980H I have questions. I'm going to run video over HDMI into a Denon AVR3808CI for the video side of things to my rear projection 1080p TV (Sony KDS55A2020). For the audio I was going to run digital coax out to the AVR. Now I wonder if the 980H would be better for me than the 981HD? Oh well, I'll figure it out eventually.
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Cesar, video questions abound, but reproduction of the audio material on digital disc media long ago reached essential(i.e. audible)perfection even on modest-cost players. You shouldn't have any audio worries if you make a change because of video considerations.
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Todd,
If video quality is more important to you than sound, the 981 has a slight edge over the 980, but only IF you are going to use the player’s video processor. If your receiver has a better video processor than the 981, then your best option would be to go with the 980 and output 480i / HDMI to the receiver.
Only time will tell how well the 3808 performs with video processing. Pure speculation on my part, but I doubt the 3808 will do better than the 981.
Sound quality is also dependant on other variables. The most obvious, is the user’s audio processor. If your processor is HDMI v1.2 or 1.3 and can process that audio stream, then the 980 will be your best choice. In addition to the 980’s SEVEN channel analogue outputs (which is a rarity in itself), the 980 is the only SACD player besides a Pioneer SACD player (that is only available in Japan) that can output raw DSD via HDMI to an audio processor with HDMI 1.2a or 1.3 (that can also process DSD audio streams). To explain this in a different way, seeing how you are a photographer; consider DSD as a RAW image file and PCM as a JPEG. Until this 980, all SACD players that have HDMI output would convert the DSD (Raw) information pulled off the disk to PCM (Jpeg) and send it to the audio processor. With the 980, your getting the whole data stream to the processor, so in theory, there should be a significant improvement is sound quality. Not having heard one myself, I can not confirm this, but there’s a large group of audiophiles that are pretty excited over this.
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Good day
I am looking at purchasing an upscaling DVD player. I currently have a Panasonic PT-AU900 fed via component cables. Here is the question. Is the 981 through HDMI that much better than the 970 through componnet. In order for me to get the 981 which doesn't support upscaling through component it requires me to purchase a 15' HDMI cable and run it though a finished ceiling to my audio closet. Not a huge heatache, but only want to go through the pain if there is a real differance. Screen size is 120" and seating is about 14' feet back to the first row. Has anybody tested them?
If I had to guess, I don't think people could tell the difference between component 1080i and HDMI 1080P. But that's just a guess. One you thing you should factor in though is how buggy HDCP is over HDMI. It's enough to drive you crazy. Make sure you test your HDMI connected devices thoroughly!
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I know this has taken a bit of a different direction with 980 discussion, but I've owned both the 981 and the 970. A previous poster noted display types as being important; an assessment I wholeheartedly agree with. I have a Samsung 1080p DLP and first purchased the 981. I was pretty dissatisfied with the upscaled PQ and resultant macroblocking from the Faroudja chip. I traded it for a 970 and haven't looked back since. YMMV depending on the type of display you own. I now use a Toshiba HD-XA2 for most DVD viewing, however the 970 does hold its own, especially considering the price point. The clean 480i output is another thing I wanted in a player as I am considering a VP at some point. A general quality I enjoy about the 970 is the wealth of formats it will handle. Just my .02 
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If I had to guess, I don't think people could tell the difference between component 1080i and HDMI 1080P.
I wonder? With my 46" widescreen Toshiba CRT I have this idea in my head that for fast moving sports and stuff I seem to see less blur during the movement in 720P than in 1080i for the HiDef channels. Honestly though, it's so subtle it could all be in my head.
That's a drop in resolution to get rid of the interlacing effects but again, it could just be me. I can't change menu items fast enough to do a fair test and it certainly isn't blind.
Also, it would be great if someone added a feature to TVs that displayed the resolution it was receiving and what it is displaying. Kinda like a receiver shows what audio signal it receives vs. what you choose to send out. I run DVDs through my receiver now to try and benefit from it's ability to upscale but it's such a pain to swap cables in my setup I have never tried an A/B comparison so I don't really know if the feature is working. I set it up that way from the get go after having my gear in storage for 8 months so memory will not serve.
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Also, it would be great if someone added a feature to TVs that displayed the resolution it was receiving and what it is displaying.
My Samsung DLP does that. It is a 1080p set so everything it receives is up-converted to, and displayed as, 1080p. If I want to know what it is receiving, I simply push the "INFO" button on the remote, and (for example) "HDMI1 - Cable STB - 1980x1080i @60Hz" is displayed in the upper left hand corner of the screen.
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