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With cars, horsepower is horsepower, but there's also torque, suspension, gear ratios, etc. Using cars to buttress an "amps sound different" argument is therefore completely useless. Now, you could definitely argue for the pride of ownership factor.

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We agreed on "everything else being equal". That includes torque, suspension, gear ratios, etc .

Amps also have sub-systems as much as cars do. Each sub-system is governed by input, output and processing specifications just like every car's sub-system. Torque and horsepower are as related as power, voltage and current in an amp.

Now, two cars can have the exact same specs and yet one may be more preferable to drive. And it all boils down to the fact that "user experience" in a car is not "specifiable". Amps on the other hand are very specifiable. There is nothing "touchy feely" about the electrons coming out of an amp .

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Hey everyone!

Jack is composing a reply!

Let's all be real quiet and wait for the resident esteemed philosopher!

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We gonna be waiting a long time... The only one slower than Jack is John.

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We gonna be waiting a long time... The only one slower than Jack is John.

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My explanation of what my friend said was probably not accurate and his explanation may not have an ounce of truth or logic to it. I think what confuses / bothers me with any of the pushback or argument in this thread is that how can anyone say that someone is not hearing a difference, if they say they are, regardless of what's causing it. But I know what I'm hearing vs. what I was hearing, period.

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Charles, I'll do my best to try to answer your question. If anyone disagrees, I have no problem with that. My only hope is that you'll, at least, understand the point I'm trying to make.

First, if anyone has said that you don't perceive a difference, they are mistaken. The question remains, is that perception accurate or not. The human senses are notoriously unreliable. Ask any police officer about the reliability of eye witness accounts.

The reason they aren't always reliable, is because the senses are easily influenced by our brain which is full of subconscious biases, expectations, hopes, fears, distractions, etc. The reason you hear so much about double blind testing is because DBT is an attempt to eliminate as many of those factors (all of them if possible) which can, and do, subconsciously influence our senses.

That being said, if you perceive a difference, and make a buying preference based on that perceived difference, nobody can or should argue with your choice. But, based on anecdotal sensory perception alone, stating categorically that there IS a difference is controversial. I hope that explains how saying "I hear a difference" doesn't actually prove there is one, and causes some to say "not so fast."

With apologies for my redundancy, if the phrase "trust your ears" means when you hear something you like, or prefer, then that is the choice for you, I most heartily agree. On the other hand if "trust your ears" meant to imply that ones senses are infallibly correct, I must disagree.

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Hey everyone!

Jack is composing a reply!

Let's all be real quiet and wait for the resident esteemed philosopher!

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Oh sure! Don't put any pressure on me or anything. I'm gonna have to block what I'm doing. Sheesh!

Nothing profound, and nothing you haven't heard before. Just trying to respond to Charles' question/confusion.