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Re: Speakers and Equipment-both make a difference
Ajax #174581 08/15/07 09:41 PM
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Jack,
I understand and agree 100%. Perception vs. reality is........well that's another thread!!! I also understand about DBT to really get the actual measurements of differences if any. Truth is when I put down $1000 for audio equipment or whatever, I hope, want, expect, will get some difference. No doubt. How much of that is perception--who knows?? What I do know is this----I enjoy this Emotiva setup much more than the Yammie I have (which alone doesn't mean it's any "better") and the SQ is much more to my liking!!! how's that?? Didn't even have to use the word "better"........Although there may be some bloody noses, etc. because of this thread, I have learned a good deal about SQ or at least the opinions and variables of such. Thanks.

Re: Speakers and Equipment-both make a difference
Ajax #174582 08/15/07 09:41 PM
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1. I think the most interesting difference between separates and the receivers I've owned is at low volumes where there is no question but that the amp section of an Onkyo 797 is adequate. Why then do some outboard amps sound better?

I have a friend who 'upgraded' from his Denon to the 200 w Outlaw monoblocks. The sound quality did NOT improve. I'd say the sound quality got worse. (I like Outlaw products, have nothing against them and wish them well - I've owned some myself which I loved - not the monoblocks).

On the other hand, I have a friend who upgraded from a Denon receiver to Parasound Halo separates. Big difference.

My Big Brute Yamaha M80s made a big difference.

As to pmbuko's point, as to whether the sound stage is huge because my surround speakers are passively resonating or not, I dunno - I'm certain that the effect is caused by the presence of those speakers. If not, hey folks, we don't no stinkin surround and back speakers, we just need some ventrioquist drivers in our TV box.


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Re: Speakers and Equipment-both make a difference
Ajax #174583 08/15/07 09:41 PM
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cgolf #174584 08/15/07 09:42 PM
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Actually, other than certain people, this thread was pretty polite and nicely argued. We'll see if it's over...


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Re: Speakers and Equipment-both make a difference
Ken.C #174585 08/15/07 09:55 PM
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ya gotta luv it when we all get along, even though we disagree, ha ha lol


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Re: Speakers and Equipment-both make a difference
cgolf #174587 08/15/07 10:12 PM
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Jack,
What I do know is this----I enjoy this Emotiva setup much more than the Yammie I have



And that, my friend, is all that matters. Nuff said.


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Re: Speakers and Equipment-both make a difference
Ken.C #174588 08/15/07 10:13 PM
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LOL!


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Re: Speakers and Equipment-both make a difference
Mojo #174589 08/15/07 10:38 PM
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Well, if everything else is equal, and two different cars are producing 200 bhp, would/could there be any difference in driving quality ?



Now you're getting in my area of expertise. And yes, absolutely. HP is nothing more than a calculation representing torque over time. Where the power is made in the RPM range makes a world of difference on the track, or just putting around.

Re: Speakers and Equipment-both make a difference
michael_d #174590 08/15/07 11:21 PM
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HP is nothing more than a calculation representing torque over time. Where the power is made in the RPM range makes a world of difference on the track, or just putting around.




We agreed on "everything else being equal". That would include the torque vs. time curve .

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