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Re: Movie voices sometimeseem raspy or too "bright
Hutzal #178326 10/10/07 05:43 PM
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There were also threads on this subject that went into the resistor values and how to connect them. There were two resistor options as I recall. I believe the time frame was around late '04 to mid "05.

Used to be that the search function would find what you need. Haven't tried it with the new forum format yet.

Another thought would be to go back to the previously discussed alternative speaker option. The M3 for center would most likely be your best bet. I mean; after all, the VPs are offered with the M3s, so why not an M3 with M22s?

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F107plus5 #178334 10/10/07 06:49 PM
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I have had M3s with M22s, although the differences are minor, the M3s less honest qualities (and the 6.5" woofer) do not add to a seamless soundstage with the M22s. And since it is the tweeters that are causing the problems, I do not think an M3 would solve it.

Just my opinion tho...after having M3 centres with M22 mains, I ended up ordering M2 centres and they match a whole lot better than M3s...


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Hutzal #178338 10/10/07 07:09 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Hutzal
I have had M3s with M22s, although the differences are minor, the M3s less honest qualities (and the 6.5" woofer) do not add to a seamless soundstage with the M22s. And since it is the tweeters that are causing the problems, I do not think an M3 would solve it.

Just my opinion tho...after having M3 centres with M22 mains, I ended up ordering M2 centres and they match a whole lot better than M3s...


If I can get this harshness under control I will be upgrading from the M22's to the M80's using the tradeup program. I would assume the 150 would mesh better with M80's.


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jbsengineer #178340 10/10/07 07:15 PM
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I really think with your sensitivity to harshness from the VP150, I would really recommend auditioning the M80s first...the M60s have 1 less tweeter and may be better suited to your listening preferences.


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Hutzal #178341 10/10/07 07:18 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Hutzal
I really think with your sensitivity to harshness from the VP150, I would really recommend auditioning the M80s first...the M60s have 1 less tweeter and may be better suited to your listening preferences.


I was thinking that as well. Disconnecting one of the tweeters in an M80 won't work? ;\)


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jbsengineer #178364 10/10/07 09:04 PM
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 Originally Posted By: jbsengineer
 Originally Posted By: Hutzal
I have had M3s with M22s, although the differences are minor, the M3s less honest qualities (and the 6.5" woofer) do not add to a seamless soundstage with the M22s. And since it is the tweeters that are causing the problems, I do not think an M3 would solve it.

Just my opinion tho...after having M3 centres with M22 mains, I ended up ordering M2 centres and they match a whole lot better than M3s...


If I can get this harshness under control I will be upgrading from the M22's to the M80's using the tradeup program. I would assume the 150 would mesh better with M80's.


It is my feeling that the M60 would suit you much better, as the highs are nowhere near as forward and the M80s. I feel the VP150 actually matches better to the M60s as well. The VP100 plays a little more cleanly(bright) than the 150 so I would say it would match the M22/M80 unless in a medium to big room and the volume is high, which you seem to like.

M60 and VP150 is what you should be going for, IMO.


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jakewash #178367 10/10/07 09:36 PM
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I was around during the prior resistor discussions that took place here. I also used the resistors for a little while on my M22s way back when. Axiom used to provide them willingly upon request. That said, I have not used the resistors on my M22s for several years.

Basically, around the time I requested them, the anti-Axiom rhetoric on different boards was at its peak. And I kind of got caught up in the hype of people calling Axioms bright, etc. So I asked for the resistors, used them for awhile, and while I still enjoyed the Axioms, I felt a little of the magic was missing for me. So I took the resistors off, put them in a drawer, and haven't thought about them since.

But anyway, as to the current problem, I just don't think there is any magic answer. Sure, the resistors may be a partial solution, but maybe Axioms are just not the best speaker for jbsengineer. I'll see if I can find my resistors so you have some idea at least what type they were. And they did come ready to attach to the tweeter, which was a very simple process. Good luck.

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gem41573 #178368 10/10/07 09:45 PM
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I've been racking my cranium about this for a few minutes now, and I can't honestly recall if this problem existed with M3s, M40s or M50s. It seems to me that although the resistors went into the tweeter circuit, it was only with speakers that used the 5.25" drivers.

That although all speakers used/use the same tweeters, the M3-M50 were not included in the problem.

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F107plus5 #178372 10/10/07 10:20 PM
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JBS,

I too vote for the M60s but instead of the 150, I suggest M2s based on what Robb and others have been telling us. The 150 will continue to sound harsh to you regardless of your fronts.


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Mojo #178391 10/11/07 12:14 AM
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He finds the M22 too harsh as well, so M2s included? Maybe M3 with M60 would work or (gasp) M50s and M3s. maybe auditions are in order.

Robb we need to listen to M3 and M60.....


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