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Re: M80, M60, M22 ...and a few abominations in between
Mojo #177540 10/03/07 04:06 AM
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Quote:

Actually the very last thing we did was run the 60s and 80s in parallel. But you didn't listen...only I did. I didn't like it because it sounded like 4 waterfalls instead of 2. The centre image was wonderful but all of the other images (birds chirping, etc) were smeared. But sure...I'm game for trying it again.

BTW, in November I get to hear an Orion. I'm really anxious to see how this will sound compared to the Axioms.

I listened to floor-standing and bookshelf Missions today. I don't know the model number (but I am going to find out) but they sounded absolutely horrible. Highs were non-existent, mids were recessed so bad that they were almost not there and the bass sounded muffled like it was coming from another room.




I stand corrected, I thought we had them A/B still and only one channel was on but as you said, only you listened, and it was just before te U-571 demo, so maybe a little gray matter was scrambled a bit .

I have heard some older missions and they sounded like you described, just as my friends JBL's also sounded last time I listened to them. I have heard a set of NHT 1's(?) bookshelf speakers and they have a more toned down sound like the M60s, still clear but not like the M22s, possibly more like M3's although I have yet to hear a set of M3s.


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Re: M80, M60, M22 ...and a few abominations in between
jakewash #177541 10/03/07 04:09 AM
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So when are we getting together again? Isn't that what Thanksgivings are for ?

Re: M80, M60, M22 ...and a few abominations in between
Mojo #177542 10/03/07 04:16 AM
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Friday nights are slower here at work, just bring them to the shop, we won't run out of room, nor disturb the neighbors.


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Re: M80, M60, M22 ...and a few abominations in between
jakewash #178606 10/11/07 11:07 PM
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I seem to recall liking the M72 that Peter, Adam and I put together quite some time ago, but not so much the M133--probably a little much, plus I'm not sure we ever played the M133 with the M50s correctly wired. Fascinating read, guys... wish I could have been there!


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Re: M80, M60, M22 ...and a few abominations in between
Ken.C #178609 10/11/07 11:17 PM
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I'm sure the M72 sounded pretty good as the 50s are mellow and the 22s are accurate. Hmmm...we should try wiring them out of phase next time to see how they sound :-).


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Strapless M82
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Ok JohnK and Mojo, I tried the M82 with the straps off the M60 and running only the 6 1/2s. The sound was extremely neutral. Vocals were not forward except on a few cds I tried. Some of my poorer cds the vocals were still a little behind/under the music, suggesting the cd mix is the culprit and that the speaker is very neutral.

I tried just one M82 strapless to see if I could hear a difference between them and it was hard to distinguish between the 2 as they blended quite well from my seated position. If I moved in front of each speaker I could hear the strapless losing out to the strapped M60 which gave a more forward vocal/mid sound, which it should with 1 extra mid and tweeter. I could hear vocals coming through on the destrapped M60 which I will guess is why the full M60 sounds smoother, yet recessed compared to the M22. The fact the M60 only has 1 mid and not 2 adds to the effect as well.

The soundstage was not a problem, only slightly more narrow and it was a little higher with just the M22s and M60s (strapless), but it should have been, the M22s were sitting on top of the M60s.

As I prefer the forward sound I liked the fully strapped configuration better.

Next up M22 vs VP150/100 as centers.


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Re: Strapless M82
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That's very interesting. So what do you like better for poorer CDs? The M60s or the strapless M82s (M82sl)?

You know that the next thing you have to do is develop a truth table, eh? So that it's easy for members to see all the combinations visually.

Is your wife ready to dump you yet :D? You can come here and live in my basement with my Axioms as long as you promise to maintain my vehicles :).


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Re: Strapless M82
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Re: Strapless M82
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LOL. Someone at Axiom hates me and took away my smilies :-).


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Re: Strapless M82
Mojo #178661 10/12/07 01:39 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Mojo
That's very interesting. So what do you like better for poorer CDs? The M60s or the strapless M82s (M82sl)?

You know that the next thing you have to do is develop a truth table, eh? So that it's easy for members to see all the combinations visually.

Is your wife ready to dump you yet :D? You can come here and live in my basement with my Axioms as long as you promise to maintain my vehicles :).


The M60s I think are still better for the poor cds, they hide the imperfection better. The full M82 is still the best for everything else, great detail and rich/warm sounding.

A table? Where's all the fun in that? Research, research, research.

My wife is Ok so far, but my 4yr old is getting a little annoyed, he says it is too loud for him most times I listen while we play, its usually around 55-60db initially, then I end up turning it down.


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