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I read a lot of good reviews about Axiom. I am interested in getting a pair of floor standing speakers and I found someone selling a 2nd hand pair of Axiom CT-60. Tried hard to find reviews but couldn't find anything. Anybody know those speakers? Are they ok? Do they worth $100? Do you know the specifications?
Thanks in advance!

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Are you referring to these ?

I don't know anything about a $350 CT series from a "couple of year ago", but the speakers photo'd have the driver layout of the M50s (currently at C$770) without the front port. So, I'm not really sure what they are. Hopefully a longer standing member will know...


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Can you give them a listen? I grabbed some Michaura speakers recently - Axiom made them for an American company that went bust. They were well worth the little I paid for them. I think Axiom just makes great products in general. Ask to hear them. $100 sounds like a pretty good deal, in my opinion, even for an early Axiom floorstanding model.


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Thanks you guys for replies. That's right "doormat", I was referring to those.( http://montreal.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-electronics-Axiom-Speakers-CT-60-W0QQAdIdZ36018618) Except Axiom name, they seem to be pretty tiered and nobody could give me some info about them, yet. I think I should hear them as "ZG" suggested. The owner lives only 9km away.

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Buy the Marantz, assuming that that french bit doesn't say that it doesn't work. $25 for a 2250?!


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This seems like a great deal on a subwoofer too. If only there was good used Axiom stuff in the States. I'll just have to move back to Canada and fill my house with such great deals! ;\)

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 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
Buy the Marantz, assuming that that french bit doesn't say that it doesn't work. $25 for a 2250?!

Unfortunately the guy says that doesn't work

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 Originally Posted By: ZG
This seems like a great deal on a subwoofer too. If only there was good used Axiom stuff in the States. I'll just have to move back to Canada and fill my house with such great deals! ;\)

Zoë

The posting sounds quite interesting. I only got a cd+pream+amp system and no sub out. Thanks anyways,Zoë!

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Shows how well I remember 4 years of French in high school. Sigh.


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The posting sounds quite interesting. I only got a cd+pream+amp system and no sub out. Thanks anyways,Zoë!

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You don't need a sub-out, actually. You can daisy-chain it with the speakers. You would just need an extra set of speaker cable. And, if your speakers have two sets of posts - for biwiring - you can connect the sub directly from the lower posts, with the upper ones running from the amp directly. I have mine set up that way and it totally works like a charm! My amps are too old to have the sub out option. One is from 1958, the other is from the 80s!

That sub and those speakers seem like a steal. I'd grab both if I were you - if you can afford them. That would be the beginning of a budget audiophile system.

Just my 2¢!

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You can simply split the preout signal and send the signal to the sub via interconnect.


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Zoë and Rick, your ideas seem pretty interesting. I'm thinking now to add a sub to my system. I am using 2 pairs of speakers so, I'd rather prefer to connect the sub to the preout via interconnect. That does mean that I'd have to use an RCA cable splitter? Is it better to connect the sub to the CD player out or to the pream out? And one more question: is it the 100W sub powerful enough to match 2x175W Infinity pair of speakers + another 2x90w Energy pair of speakers? Thanks!

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for $100 bucks I don't think you can go wrong but be carefull these are the ones that don't have removable grills ! I have seen them before. I had the chance to get these or the ax3's. I went with the ax3's because I was amazed at the sound quality and I could see the drivers .. lol .. if you look around, some of axioms older stuff is amazing!! but in regards to the Ax series .. Ax1 book shelfs, and center and AX3 or Ax5's and Ax500 suds are great .. there was a pair of Ax3 selling for 200 bucks on kijiji up here in canada, which is a steel in my opinion ..

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Thanks Iceman. I am wondering if there is a way to see the drivers under some not removable grills...

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You would go with using the preouts and a splitter. If you try to use sub out on the cd player you wouldn't have an active volume control controlling the subs volume. You will also need to calibrate the system with a spl meter and test tones.


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Thanks, Rick.

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Hey iceman. I saw those ax3s. I didn't know what to make of them or where they might fit in terms of the current Axiom line. They were probably a good deal for the right person.

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Hello everybody! I think I am one of the newest members of the forum and for 2 days now I am the owner of a 2nd hand pair of Axiom CT-60, the ghost speakers of Axiom. So, to explain why I used that term. I couldn’t find any review or tech specs on internet. I asked you guys for help. Here I was told that should be a good pair of speakers. Iceman knew the model and told me that they had non-removable grills (strange feeling to not see what’s inside isn’t it?). I grabbed the phone and dialed the toll free number of Axiom’s expert line. They never heard of them, but I was told that I should get an email containing all details and specs. Never happened. Despite the awful pictures on the site and the lack of info, but convinced by your advices, I decided to go on site and hear them. I was impressed and got them for $75. I am planning to get the the CTS-100 sub to add a little bit more bass to the speakers, but not very sure, yet. On Axiom’s site anew one is $426. The gentleman was asking $200 at the beginning and finally he agreed for $150. Do you think a 125W 8’ sub will do a good job? Is the price OK? Thanks!

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Hello everybody! I think I am one of the newest members of the forum and for 2 days now I am the owner of a 2nd hand pair of Axiom CT-60, the ghost speakers of Axiom. So, to explain why I used that term. I couldn’t find any review or tech specs on internet. I asked you guys for help. Here I was told that should be a good pair of speakers. Iceman knew the model and told me that they had non-removable grills (strange feeling to not see what’s inside isn’t it?). I grabbed the phone and dialed the toll free number of Axiom’s expert line. They never heard of them, but I was told that I should get an email containing all details and specs. Never happened. Despite the awful pictures on the site and the lack of info, but convinced by your advices, I decided to go on site and hear them. I was impressed and got them for $75. I am planning to get the the CTS-100 sub to add a little bit more bass to the speakers, but not very sure, yet. On Axiom’s site anew one is $426. The gentleman was asking $200 at the beginning and finally he agreed for $150. Do you think a 125W 8’ sub will do a good job? Is the price OK? Thanks!

Adrian

If they are vintage Axiom speakers, Ian would certainly know about it. He would have built them.
It is possible the Axiom folk in the know were not around to return the info. Give it time or try them again. If they are real Axiom speakers, they should tell you.
I can say that i do not recall any CT speakers being the better, award winning vintage Axiom offerings though. I ran into some of the AX series (used) awhile back but even those versions were not the award winning style. It does take some digging.


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I never have figured out why people don't use the search tool anymore. \:\) Took me about 5 seconds to find this thread where Alan explains this one time cheaper Axiom line of speakers.

http://www.axiomaudio.com/boards/ubbthre...=true#Post80395


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Per Alan (this quote was from Feb 2005)

"The CT speakers were a lower-priced Axiom line (no longer manufactured) sold to some Canadian Axiom retailers when Axiom had an extensive Canadian retail network (no longer).

They are quite good value but not in the same league as the Axiom's current premium line. Different drivers, etc. They are similar in sound quality to the Merak line that Axiom built for Radio Shack Canada. But they are NOT comparable in neutrality, transparency and linearity to the current Axiom models.

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Excellent find, Sir Quack. Also very informative about Axiom's past for the newer members such as myself (Radio Shack connection??). Not particularly flattering for the CT-series...


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Hey Adrian,

I think you did well! Great price, especially if you liked the sound of them. You've got a good entry level audiophile system there! The sub will really help out as well. Very good deals! Enjoy!

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 Originally Posted By: ZG
Can you give them a listen? I grabbed some Michaura speakers recently - Axiom made them for an American company that went bust. They were well worth the little I paid for them. I think Axiom just makes great products in general. Ask to hear them. $100 sounds like a pretty good deal, in my opinion, even for an early Axiom floorstanding model.


I have a bunch of Axiom speakers, M2s, M3s, M50s. I also have a bunch of the Michaura speakers, the M22-like M55s, M50-like M66s and the M60-like M665s. I love my Axioms, especially the M3s, but I've pretty much swapped out the Axioms for their Michaura counterparts. I've 'operated' on some of the M55s - upgraded the caps in the M55s to Jensen paper/oils, the resistors with Caddocks, love 'em!

First I swapped out my beloved M3Tis in my 5 wpc Tube SET triode system with a pair of massaged M55s, back and forth, back and forth - came to rest with the M55s. I think a pair of M55s atop a pair of M3s might be a perfect speaker combo. Have to try that some day. I then swapped the M55s for the M66s, which use 2x6.5" Axiom aluminum drivers and the 3/4" titanium tweeter from the Merak, old M-zero, M2ti lines. I didn't have to switch back and forth between the M66s and the M50s, fell in love with the M66s. The M66s and the SET amp are an incredible match. Talk about a wall of glorious music ... this makes it.

The M60-like M665s are in my office HT system, a pair of supertweets on top of them, a Merak Frankenspeaker center (Axiom made Merak cabinet upgraded with 2x6.5" axiom aluminum drivers, Reference 3a de capo tweeter with a modified reference 3a cross-over for the tweeter), a Dahlquist PDQ1500 15" sub, a pair of Mission DS77 surround speakers. Most of the time I have the Motorola DCH3416 HDMI hidef dvr cable box feeding audio by optical cable to a Sony TAE9000ES processor (love that thing!) driven by an Anthem PVA5 5 channel amp.

Sound quality? Glorious!

Although I have a bunch more M55s in storage, I'll set up another 2 channel tube stereo system with my M3Tis, the mid bass of the M3s is superior to the M55s, but the M55s' upper mids and highs are superior, at least to my ears.

The finish on the Michauras is simply beautiful - rosewood, the cabinets are hex shaped (I think that's part of their magic) and they are SOLID.

Anyway, just thought I'd share a few words on some of my favorite speakers.

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Hey 2x6spds!

I actually saw photos of your Michauras on Audio Asylum when I was trying to decide to grab the ones I ended up getting. I paid $170 plus shipping for both pairs, which is a total steal in my opinion, given the sound right out of the gate - even with their UBid history. I'm not a tweaker like you, but sounds like you've really made them sing!

I've got the M55s on an office system hooked to an extra Luxman L210 amp (I also use this sleeper amp on my main system). I was really blown away by the sound considering the size and price. I haven't heard any other Axioms but by M60s, but I did audition many bookshelf speakers a couple of years ago when I was in search of a smaller pair. Nothing had the kind of clarity I wanted in a small box - except these, but they lacked bass. The M55s have that same B&W driver clarity, but are warmer on the low end. If I had more space in the office I'd put a powered subwoofer on them and I'm sure they would blow my mind!

I plan on using the M66s in a home theatre set-up some day. I'll keep the Axiom M60s as my mains and maybe use the Michaura M66s as surrounds. We'll see, I might swap them into the office instead.

Oh, and I took some pictures of all my M60s when I got them, and then added the Michauras. I got the Michauras a week after the M60s in High Gloss Cherry. They are all an exact match! Amazing luck there!

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Holy Samolies ZG, those Michauras are beautiful.

I used the M66s as surround speakers for a while, but I have to tell you that application is a total waste of talent. The M66s are a perfect match with SET tube amp.

Both the M55s and the M66s are easy to match with a sub and the effect is a WALL OF MUSIC which extends far beyond the speakers, far above them and even far behind them.

I used both in solid state HT systems (the M55s are great surround speakers) but where they really shine is in a good 2.1 channel stereo music system. I can speak from experience when I say that these speakers are a perfect match for the Antique Sound Labs MG S1 15DT integrated tube amp (5wpc in triode mode)

The M66s are rare! You made a great score when you snagged them. I've been looking for a second pair for a long time for a friend.

BTW, Luxman made some terrific equipment ... including some excellent tube amplifiers. All I can say is hold on to those Michauras, they punch WAY above their price.

I've heard some really fancy tube set ups with component prices in the $15,000-$25,000 range (amp plus speakers), and I can tell you without hesitation that the M66s + the ASL amp, and a fast Velodyne subwoofer sound better, not just as good, but clearly better. I've also used a Klipsch LF10 sub, a Vance Dickerson Titanic 12", Velodyne CHT10, and they all match easily with the M66s or M55s. For stereo service, I like to keep the M55s or M66s low and tilted upward. BTW, the M55s are also super in a 2 channel SET system.

G'luck and enjoy the music!!


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Thanks everybody for your help and for the advices regarding my low-end Axioms CT-60 recently got! Thanks for subwoofer advices, too! I am pretty sure that I am going to look for some better speakers shortly. For sure they’ll be Axioms. Compared to my Infinity Reference 50 I already have, they sound very clear (especially at low volume), but they lack a little bit of bass. That’s why I decided to add a subwoofer (especially for movies). I found a Paradigm PS-1000 for $125. I thought it was a good deal so, I got it. The bass is really powerful and strong (good to use for demolitions). I don’t think I will use it a lot for music, but for movies. Thanks to JC @ Axiom customers support I got the specs for CT series.
Here they are:
Custom Home theater System 60 Specifications

Specs CT60 CT6 CTC20 CTS120
Enclosure: Reflex Reflex Reflex Reflex
Max Amp Power: 150W 150W 150 W 150 W
FreqResp +/-3db(Hz):40-22K 45-22K 70-22K 30-120K
Impedance (Ohms): 8 8 8
Room Sens 1w/1m(db): 92 89 92
Woofer: Dual 6.5 " 6.5" Dual 5.25" 12"
Tweeter: 3/4"titanium 3/4 "titanium 3/4"
Dimens. (H W D):34 x 7.8x 11.7" 13 x 8 x 10" 6.5x15x6.5 14.5x14.5x15
Weight (per unit) 32 lbs 12.5 lbs 7 lbs 21 lbs



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Hey as long as you are getting some enjoyment from them then they were a good deal, enjoy.


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Hey 2x6spds!

Thanks for the response! I forgot to point out that one of the M66s has some damage to the silver (aluminum) part of one of the woofers - you can see it in the photos. I can't hear any distortion from it, so I haven't bothered to try to replace it. From what I can tell it is the same as the ones that Axiom still uses, so if I ever hear something harsh from it I'll call Axiom about buying a replacement.

For the super small price I snagged them for, I will be holding on to them for a good long time, that's for sure. I'd rather just put them in storage before selling them. Such great sound for such a cheap price. I hope to own a house some day, so the goal would be to have a nice sounding stereo in many many rooms. I'll get use out of all of my speakers, I'm sure - and then some!

Good to know about tipping the M66s and M55s up. I'll try that.

I use my Axiom M60s with a great 50 year old Scott 222C tube amp. Can't tell you how wonderful sounding they are! Since the Michaura's are such a close match - yes, different sounding but still excellent - I don't doubt they would really sing with tubes as well. I'll give them a try some day.

Enjoy the great sounds!

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Ola ZG

I love the old HH Scott tube equipment! I have a beautiful champagne faced tube Scott stereo AM/FM tuner which I use as one of the sources for my ASL MGS1 15DT tube integrated amp.

I have my eye on some Scott amps and receivers. Thinking of snagging an upgraded unit from Mapleshade Audio ( they make my favorite speaker cables - keep the laughter down out there in the peanut gallery!) They also sell upgraded Scott tube components and receivers.

http://www.mapleshaderecords.com/audioproducts/tubegear_hub.php

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Wow, 2x6spds, those Scott's at Mapleshade are amazing looking! My 222C looks like the second one but has a champagne face. It's an El-84 amp too. I've also got a LK-72 with the brown face - looks totally beautiful - but it uses 7591 tubes. It was modded a lot and has high end caps in it. I like the sound of both of them, but the 222C, which hasn't been modded, sounds slightly better. I use my M60s with it with my Dual 1219 turntable. Amazing, amazing, amazing! It's true what Mapleshade says, it compares to tube and solid state amps that cost thousands and thousands more. I listened to a brand new McIntosh system that was over $25,000 and cannot tell the difference in my system - that cost less than $2000.

You know, I have no interest in setting up a multizone system beyond maybe having an Apple AirPort Express on all of those systems. The nice thing is that I can send music to multiple stereos from one computer. And the truth is, that if I was having a house party (not my style), I wouldn't really be caring about quality of sound. It would be all about the playlist! I love the two AirPorts I currently use because it allows me to listen to radio from Canada and Europe as if I was local. Of course, this adds to my homesickness!

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