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#204963 - 04/21/08 12:50 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: Murph]
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Well...I will not be playing them all that loudly - which I know is a relative statement. The loudest would be during movies - which the majority of the time I would be watching with my wife. So the volume would be at a nice, sane level. Having said that, with this receiver, would I need to be concerned with the volume in relation to the M80s? I misspoke slightly, the amp is rated at 95 WPC for 7.1. I thought that I had made up my mind that the M60s were more than I would ever need.....but then I keep coming back and reading these posts and....well you know how it goes......Rob
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#204964 - 04/21/08 12:52 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: Argon]
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Eh, you'll probably be fine, then. You can always add an outboard amp later (pending WAF...)
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#204969 - 04/21/08 01:28 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: Argon]
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I had my M80s hooked up to my Denon 1804 which had 95WPC and it was fine and went plenty loud, I remember about 100db before I could hear some distortion.

Like Ken said you will be fine.
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#204971 - 04/21/08 01:37 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: Ken.C]
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If it was me I would give the 60's some real thought. Yes, that Yammy will drive 80's, however, historically Axiom has not had Yamaha on the list of recommended AVR's as lab tests showed they would over heat and shut down. Never models may be beefier, not sure. Rest assured you would not have any concerns with the 60's, and sonically they are very similar to 80's.
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#204997 - 04/21/08 04:17 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: Argon]
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 Originally Posted By: Argon
Well...I will not be playing them all that loudly - which I know is a relative statement. The loudest would be during movies - which the majority of the time I would be watching with my wife. So the volume would be at a nice, sane level. Having said that, with this receiver, would I need to be concerned with the volume in relation to the M80s? I misspoke slightly, the amp is rated at 95 WPC for 7.1. I thought that I had made up my mind that the M60s were more than I would ever need.....but then I keep coming back and reading these posts and....well you know how it goes......Rob

In the immortal words of Bart Simpson, "It's like you're readin' my mind, man!"

This is exactly where I am. Started out wanting to add a center and surrounds to my existing Bose 501's in my spacious existing area and was looking at Atlantic Technology 920/1200 bookshelves based on some recommendations at AVS. Then I came across people praising the gospel according to Axiom, and the bit about the QS4/8 working better when placed close to the listeners caught my attention - new place has a different layout and I wouldn't be able to place the surrounds that far back. So I poked around and thought that 2xM60+VP100+2xQS4 would do me. I asked the Axiom advisor and sent photos of the new space and he suggested upselling to the VP150 and QS8's. Then I was happy with that idea and maybe a sub, when I started reading people talking about the M80's being orgasmically better especially in a room my size, but then also it seemed that the RX-V663 I was eyeing might not be up to the task of the M80's so then I started looking at the Denon 3808. Where does it end? Sigh. I in theory have WAF approval but don't know that she understands how much $ we're talking here.

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#204998 - 04/21/08 04:18 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: Murph]
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 Originally Posted By: Murph
Every room is a bit different but you can use this calculator as a guide to estimating wattage required. It's near the bottom of the page after nice explanation of the terminology used. Allegtro - Amplifier Power calculator


It seems to indicate that I need 250 wpc, which seems excessive.

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#204999 - 04/21/08 04:18 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: anthony11]
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It doesn't end.
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#205000 - 04/21/08 04:21 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: tomtuttle]
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How did you arrive at that value? What are your inputs?

Also, that is also a shop that sells amps, so they might just have a conflict of interest here....
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#205001 - 04/21/08 04:23 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: tomtuttle]
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 Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
It doesn't end.

Not what I wanted to hear

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#205002 - 04/21/08 04:25 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: Ken.C]
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Registered: 04/15/08
Posts: 267
Loc: Seattle WA
 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
How did you arrive at that value? What are your inputs?

"To handle heavy metal/grunge, the amplifier's 4-Ohm power should be 2.5 x 100W or 250W continuous (RMS) per channel."

When I punch numbers into the form, which doesn't ask about impedance, it tells me 23 wpc.

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