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Is oxygen free copper. What else do you need?

Does everyone play their speakers with the grills on? I read where a lot of people leave them off and say it sounds better and also saw a post where some other brand recommended leaving them on and the user said they definitely sounded too bright with them off.

I just bought a 10 foot 1.3 HDMI cable from monoprice a couple of weeks ago for like $5 bucks.

The thing is built very well and works perfectly.

Also, I don't notice a difference in sound with the grills on or off.

Keep in mind I had to pay for shipping, so it came to about 8 or 9 bucks total. It arrived in like 2 or 3 days too!

If I were you I would think about taking that HDMI cable back to Ultimate Electronics and buy one from monoprice!

what receiver did you get?

That's what I'm talking about. I think I paid around $55 at Ultimate Electronics a few weeks ago but I did get 'em to knock about $420 off the receiver I wanted so I guess I came out ok, but still I'm getting the rest of my cables at monoprice

And they probably still made more money in margin off the cable than they did off the receiver.

Loudness doesn't make it sound good but if it sounds good you can probably play it loud

Loudness doesn't make it sound good but if it sounds good you can probably play it loud

The denon 3808 is a very good receiver. Tons of options, the internet radio, streaming network ability, GUI, and robust amp make it one of the best receiver on the market at its pricepoint in my opinion

Not sure what you paid for it, but it can be purchased from 6ave.com for $1098 with no taxes or shipping fees. 6ave is an authorized dealer by the way.

I have the 3808, m80's, Qs8's, vp150, and ep500. you will love your axioms!

oh yeah,
I am ready for football to start!

You have heard from 2 that have the 3808 and Axioms. It is a great combo. I previously ran an older Denon 1804 with M22s then briefly with the M80s and the system still sounded great. The Axioms are very easy to drive and sound very clear, you should love your new system.

I just realized who you are after a quick peek at AVSforum, glad you found your way over here.

yah, the 3808 drives the m80's with no problem, and of course will power the m60's with ease as well.

MY living room is only 2150 CF (but is open to a kitchen/dining area and hallway. In that size room the m80's sound great... Oh yeah I sit about 11 feet away from my m80's.

Not a bad deal on the receiver from ultimate electronics- they use to be the most expensive place in town. (at least the one in tulsa was)

Hope you stick around the boards- I need someone to ridicule when we beat OU in football this year.


Oh yeah, pictures are nearly a requirement around here.

I continue to see folks bashing Audessey here and elsewhere. To each their own I reckon, but I sure like what it does in my room with my set up. So ya, I agree with Michael, give it a whirl first before you get on the Audessey basher bus. Just make sure you take your time with mic positioning and make sure that you do not have any background noise when doing the set up. After you run it, verify distances and SPL levels. You might also want to change speaker sizes and X-over settings to your liking.

I was running my M80’s with the 3808 and it did just fine. I added a 200X5 amp and didn’t notice a dramatic difference. A wee bit more headroom and slightly improved dynamic range, but it definitely wasn’t a night and day difference.

You run auto set up first and make changes later. When you run the auto set up, it is VERY important to take your time. You need to make sure that the mic is at ear level as you sit in the seating and it is pointed straight up (preferably on a tripod). After you get it set in the first position, get comfortable somewhere that your body will not serve as some sort of bass trap or reflective object (no kidding). I grab my RF remote and back myself into the EQ area when I do this. You may be able to crouch behind a couch or something. When you are ready, also make sure that the kids aren’t running around with waffle bats or your neighbor isn’t running the lawnmower. It everything is cool, hit the go button on the remote and let the AVR do its thing. Repeat this in four or five more seating locations. Then you let the AVR calculate and then save those settings.

Step 2-
Verify speaker distances. You will notice that the sub is wacky. Don’t worry too much as it should show further away than what it actually is. Some folks have their own rules of thumb for this, and mine is + 8 feet. Make sure all the other speakers are pretty close to actual distances.

Step 3-
Set up your handy dandy RS meter on the tripod you had the mic on. Put it in the main position, which should have been position one when running the auto set up. Go into manual speaker set up and run through the channel levels manually. Dial all the speakers in to how you prefer them. You may not have to touch anything. I prefer the center channel to be 2 DB higher than the mains, the sub to be 5 DB higher than the mains and all others matched to the mains.

Step 4-
Check your X-over settings. Play with these some. I like to set my mains to Large and all others to small. I set LFE to Mains + LFE. Again, play with these a bit to see where you prefer it.

Step 5-
Copy the EQ curve. This does as you mention, sorta. It copies a few bands where Audessey set them. You can then go to each of the bands and tweak as you wish. This will most likely drive you nuts because you’ll always want to ‘tweak’ them.

After you do all that, you can then turn Audessey off and use your manual settings, turn it on, to flat, or F/R bypass. Only in Manual mode will the EQ bands be different. In all other modes they are left where Audessey put them.

regardless of comments along the line of "Audyssey stole all my bass!".

so a little black electrical tape keeps it firm

Has anyone used Axioms speaker wire?

What was the results?

Can you use it inside walls?

I ran audessey with my m80'sd and wasn't terribly happy with the results. I changed the setting on my sub and re-ran it.... I had adjusted some of the channels after the audessey set up (fine tuned things with my SPl meter) and for some reason audessey just kept reverting to the old settings.

Acouple of weeks ago I did a hard reset and manually adjusted everything without ever running audessey. So far I like things much better without it...

from the denon manual:

microprocessor reset (master power off, hold down both the DSP and the Standard button, master power on, wait for three flashes, release buttons)

standard reset (master power off, hold down both the 'up arrow' button and the 'down arrow' button, master power on, wait for the flashing, release buttons).

I did a standard reset, it resets all of your channel levels, any audessey results, video settings/ input names and assignments, ect.- basically puts it back to its factory setting (without downgrading any firmware updates that you may have installed.)



not sure if that is really necessary if you plan on running audessey. I would do a reset first if for some reason you decide to do everything manually after you have already ran audessey.

yeah, I went and picked up my speakers from DHL on my lunch hour... took two trips to fit them all in my jeep, I just couldnt squeeze the ep500 in with everything else

Lookin good. Setting your fronts to small, rather than large, diverts the sub-80Hz frequency sound to your subwoofer. Even with a set of "large" speakers, it's a good idea to let your sub (especially your EP) do the heavy low end lifting. Set them to SMALL and put your cross over between 75 and 100 Hz.

And no, besides hurting my eyes, the plants shouldn't affect your listening enjoyment.

Oops - just noticed you might not have a sub. If you don't, then leave them to LARGE. My comments about the plants remain unedited.

keep in mind that with the 3808 there is two seperate places to adjust speaker size. One is for surround mode and the other is for direct/stereo 2 channel listening.

If it is set up with audessey It should change them both, but if you do things manually be sure and keep that in mind.


Also, I don't see how the vase could impact the sound at all.

yes, setting them to small just diverts the freq. below the crossover point to the sub.

However, if you set the fronts to large, and change the sub setting in the denon to "lfe+main" then the frequency below the crossover will be played by both the mains and the sub. This will likelly give you too much bass but might be worth trying out.

If the fronts are set to large, and the sub is set to "lfe". then the sub is not used at all for 2 channel music. (unless you are in surround mode and then only the lfe and the low frequency to any small speakers are sent to the sub.)

Ian from axiom stated that any "break-in" happens nearly instanteously.

FYI, I have my m80's set to small with a 60 hz crossover for movies, and I think a 40hz crossover in 2channel mode.

I am sure that will be fine. Some people have mentioned using an 80 hz crossover for movies and a 60 hz crossover for music, or even 80hz for both.

I lowered it a bit and found it to sound good, plus It makes me feel like I am taking advantage of the woofers in the towers that I paid for a little more

Just experiment and see what sounds best to you.

You can increase the bass of the SW just by adjusting the channel level. If you want to increase the low frequency on the m60's you can copy your eq curve from audessey and manually adjust up the lower frequency's a bit.

I recommend making adjustments in small increments.

However, be careful making too many adjustments after you run audessey, it can open up a whole can of worms! Also, you might end up like Mojo, tweaking your system for at least a good 6 months!

After all of my tinkering I found that no EQ curve, no audessey, and a simple manual channel calibration sounded best. I still plan on relocating my subwoofer and adjusting things more in the near future.

when you do a curve copy you have to press EQ button on the remote while listening until it says 'manual' to hear the adjustments. If the screen shows 'audessey'or'audessey-flat' then you are listening to the standard audessey curves, even if you have made manually adjustments to the copied curve.

This allows you to compare your adjustments to the audessey eq to no eq at all.

I found that the brief silence when switching between these made is hard to make a good comparison though.

make all of the adjustments you want on the curve copy since it won't effect the original audessey results.

when you access your denon from the computer (I think it is through ftp) using your web browser, there is a text menu that is arranged similar to the GUI menu.

You can adjust all settings from there, or save the settings onto your computer. Then you can upload these saved settings to your denon at anytime.

It is actually pretty convenient.

have you ran audessey with the supplied mic?

When you copied the eq curve was everything at 0 db or was there already changes made to the curve?

If audessey had ran correctly then when you first copied the curve you should see all of the changes that audessey implemented for each frequency listed.


on page 43 of the manual it says that if you changed the settings of a speaker which was set to "none" then you can not select audyssey EQ. not sure what they mean by this, but maybe if you had surrounds or SW set to "none" during the auto eq, and then later added it in by manually changing SW to "yes" or connecting surrounds then you have to re-run audessey.