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Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade
fredk #220574 09/10/08 09:15 PM
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My family loves to hike and canoe! I wouldn't have trouble getting vacation time. Only the cost of gas (for a long road trip) or airfare prevent me form jumping on this opportunity. Damn house with stuff that has to be fixed!

Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade
medic8r #220577 09/10/08 09:33 PM
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 Originally Posted By: medic8r
Wasn't "Runs Away Crying" the biggest hit single from Negative Orange's third album?


I don't know, but I bet CV has the stained pillow to prove it.


What? He said it was from tears. . .




(sorry, charles, that was a cheap shot)


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Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade
St_PatGuy #220582 09/10/08 11:05 PM
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The Ninja,

Welcome to the forum. Did you change the crossover frequencies of the M22 with your crossover?


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Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade
Ian #220610 09/11/08 02:04 AM
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Ian's suggestion is the only one that would achieve meaningful results. As Peter pointed out and Ian confirmed, changes in factors such as slope, crossover frequency and relative woofer/tweeter levels in the crossover can definitely change the sound of a speaker, not necessarily for the better. If these products result in such changes, rather than simply substituting so-called "quality" components which don't change the crossover parameters, then there of course could be some noticeable change in the sound.


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Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade
JohnK #220612 09/11/08 02:42 AM
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I think this is cool. I don't even think a big fancy test is necessary. Ian has ears. I bet he is the kind of guy who would admit right away if they sound better. If they do sound better then what? Raise the price of the M22's ? I don't think that is a good idea. Sell more M22's because they sound really awesome for only 470 bucks and if you want them to sound more awesome then call this Ninja guy. Symbiotic relationship?
The best part about this is the fun factor. Speakers are fun. Listening to music is fun. Science and discovery are fun. Fellowship in all this silly stuff is fun.

Cliff notes: Ian is a cool dude.


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Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade
Lampshade #220613 09/11/08 02:46 AM
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Ian and the whole Axiom group is why I bought from them. After 2 years on the surrounds, and 1 year on the rest, I have absolutely no regrets.

And, this board is better than any T-shirt! ;\)


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Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade
SRoode #220615 09/11/08 03:16 AM
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 Quote:
And, this board is better than any T-shirt!


Plus, we don't shrink when you wash us!








Unless you use really cold water.


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Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade
Lampshade #220617 09/11/08 03:24 AM
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No, lampy; a "big fancy test" would be absolutely necessary, including lab measurements to determine what changes were being made in the crossover and blind listening tests to determine if there were any resulting audible differences and if so, were they preferred.

One of the foundations of Axiom, developed at the NRC when Dr. Toole worked with Ian, Alan and other colleagues, was the necessity of blind listening since you simply can't "Just trust your ears" when other factors are present which can affect your judgment. In an intentional bit of hyperbole, Dr. Toole, when speaking to an AES meeting a few years ago stated that "If you can see what you're listening to, then you can't hear it!"


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Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade
St_PatGuy #220618 09/11/08 03:32 AM
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 Originally Posted By: St_PatGuy
(sorry, charles, that was a cheap shot)


At these prices, I can afford a lot more abuse.

Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade
CV #220619 09/11/08 03:33 AM
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I'm excited to see how this all plays out. Two people standing behind their products is pretty cool. Everyone wins.

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