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Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade
BlueJays1 #229228 11/10/08 03:39 AM
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Luc - you'll have to get used to the Axiom forum discussion model. ;\)

Threads are often filled with pages of us rambling before we get to the meat of the original question. Usually though we have a lot of fun in the process. I can see where coming into this discussion late would be frustrating given that you read all the way through to find no conclusion (yet). Give us a few more days and we might actually get to a review here. ;\)

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Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade
myrison #229263 11/10/08 10:27 AM
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Patience my friends, the review is under way and mostly complete. I still need to finalize a couple things first. I will give you a teaser and say they do offer more detail......


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Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade
jakewash #229264 11/10/08 12:35 PM
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 Originally Posted By: jakewash
I will give you a teaser and say they do offer more detail......

...which is already more than you! \:\) kidding!
Just make sure no beavers will be mentionned in the review...


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jakewash #229274 11/10/08 02:24 PM
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 Originally Posted By: jakewash
Patience my friends, the review is under way and mostly complete. I still need to finalize a couple things first. I will give you a teaser and say they do offer more detail......


Talk about a teaser. Since many perceive the axiom sound as bright and the ninja mod actually changes the network design rather than just swapping components the obvious move would be to make them sound "less" bright. Saying they offer more detail would tend to contradict that logic. I am incredibly curious as to what the review will contain. Please don't hold out on us much longer!


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woofersus #229281 11/10/08 02:50 PM
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 Originally Posted By: woofersus
 Originally Posted By: jakewash
Patience my friends, the review is under way and mostly complete. I still need to finalize a couple things first. I will give you a teaser and say they do offer more detail......


Talk about a teaser. Since many perceive the axiom sound as bright and the ninja mod actually changes the network design rather than just swapping components the obvious move would be to make them sound "less" bright. Saying they offer more detail would tend to contradict that logic. I am incredibly curious as to what the review will contain. Please don't hold out on us much longer!


Not knowing how Jay defines "bright" and "detail," can we can assume the two are synonymous? In my mind (YMMV), it is conceivable that a change could increase detail while reducing "brightness" at the same time.


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Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade
Ajax #229283 11/10/08 03:08 PM
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 Originally Posted By: woofersus
 Originally Posted By: jakewash
Patience my friends, the review is under way and mostly complete. I still need to finalize a couple things first. I will give you a teaser and say they do offer more detail......


Talk about a teaser. Since many perceive the axiom sound as bright and the ninja mod actually changes the network design rather than just swapping components the obvious move would be to make them sound "less" bright. Saying they offer more detail would tend to contradict that logic. I am incredibly curious as to what the review will contain. Please don't hold out on us much longer!


Not knowing how Jay defines "bright" and "detail," can we can assume the two are synonymous? In my mind (YMMV), it is conceivable that a change could increase detail while reducing "brightness" at the same time.


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Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade
danmagicman7 #229286 11/10/08 03:22 PM
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Its not safe to assume anything. These terms are used in such a subjective and confusing manner. For one I refer to the sound of Axiom speakers as accurate and detailed. They are not a bright sounding speaker to me. So if I refer to them as detailed I am in no way implying that they are bright.

We just have to wait and see how jakewash defines these terms first before we make any assumptions and jump to any conclusions.

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BlueJays1 #229290 11/10/08 04:23 PM
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You are correct, but I was speaking to the opinion of many who do find the axiom sound to bright and saying that a design intended to please many of them would likely be shifted in the other direction. Also, jakewash has stated to me privately that he has liked several different speakers that many find bright, so he just likes that sound. (whether it's "bright" or just "accurate and detailed" I'm not saying either is correct)

It is entirely possible that there is more detail while maintaining a similar voicing, or any other thing really since the gaps are yet to be filled in. I was mostly saying that it wasn't the initial reaction I had expected and that I'm more intrigued than ever.


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woofersus #229360 11/11/08 02:06 AM
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For those of you watching this thread, I have posted my review in the water cooler

Review


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