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#222252 - 09/23/08 01:33 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: EFalardeau]
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I have nothing solid to contribute here. I'm throwing in a totally worthless post so that when this thread gets written into the Earth's historical archives that I will be able to say to my grandchildren that I was a part of it all.

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#222258 - 09/23/08 01:51 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: Murph]
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I'm totally going to use your post as my signature.
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#222290 - 09/23/08 04:30 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: JaimeG]
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From the looks of it this Ninja thing is probably not going to happen :(. They seem to be giving axiom and the community little digs here and there. Its to bad it ended up like this :(. Here is a link to his community (linked from his website).

http://www.av123forum.com/showthread.php?t=36794




Edited by Dr.House (09/23/08 04:42 PM)
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#222291 - 09/23/08 04:40 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: BlueJays1]
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Yeah this Ninja guy sounds like a real stand up guy in the audiophile community. Now he is claiming Axiom is using < $3 crossovers in their 22's, seems like a real class act.
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#222293 - 09/23/08 04:46 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: BlueJays1]
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Well, that was painful to read.

I've been avoiding posting anything in this thread for awhile, but since it's all gone sour, here's my opinion on this whole thing.

1. The Ninja would appear to be a legit businessman.
2. Poor timing on the offer to Ian made us legitimately suspicious.
3. I don't doubt that a redesigned crossover would make the M22s sound different.
4. I believe the M22s sound excellent as is!
5. I don't think that these premium components that he uses would provide a significant improvement over correctly rated components of the same type.
6. I would be curious to see the comparo build between cheap, correctly rated components and his components. I suspect there would not be a difference in sound detectable by the human ear, even in ABX testing.
7. The guys at AV123 would seem to be a tad less science minded than we are.
8. Ninja put up with a lot of crap here, but that's what happens when you get introduced like that and then are forced to pull out of a promised comparison.
9. This forum ain't the only one that gets caustic sometimes.


Edited by kcarlile (09/23/08 04:47 PM)
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#222294 - 09/23/08 04:50 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: Ken.C]
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Yeah, he drew a few generalizations based on the perhaps inflatedly pessimistic/skeptical posts of some of out members. In any case, he was clearly on better behavior here than he is on his home turf.

He still has not commented on whether expensive components make a difference. His product cannot prove that because it changes a fundamental characteristic of the speaker -- the crossover point.
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#222297 - 09/23/08 05:01 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: Ken.C]
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6. I would be curious to see the comparo build between cheap, correctly rated components and his components. I suspect there would not be a difference in sound detectable by the human ear, even in ABX testing.

Same here.
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#222302 - 09/23/08 05:31 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: JaimeG]
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Ninja still seems to be planning to send two sets of crossovers to jakewash - one with premium components and one with standard components - so we should get a chance to see.

Personally I think this is great, and if the "premium vs cheap component" comparison happens as planned I think Ninja will deserve a lot of respect no matter what the outcome.


Edited by bridgman (09/23/08 05:32 PM)

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#222303 - 09/23/08 05:56 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: bridgman]
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Interesting. I didn't know he was providing two sets of crossovers.
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#222305 - 09/23/08 06:04 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: SirQuack]
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 Originally Posted By: sirquack
Yeah this Ninja guy sounds like a real stand up guy in the audiophile community. Now he is claiming Axiom is using < $3 crossovers in their 22's, seems like a real class act.


Before you get too exercised over Ninja's estimate of the cost of the stock cross-over components used in the M22, tell us, have you ever examined an M22's cross-over?

If you don't agree, with Ninja's estimate, what do you think the stock cross-over costs?
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