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Swapped M22's for M60's, Need a little help.
#225409 10/14/08 10:51 PM
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Ok, in a nutshell I am not very impressed by the M60's vs. the M22's. My setup is this: 2 M60's, VP150, 2 QS4's, 2 M3's, HSU VTF3 MK3 and an Onkyo 705. The M3's are at the rear about 6' away, QS4's are on either side of the sofa the left is 4' and the right is 6'. Now for the front....I sit fairly close to the TV/Speakers, I would say about 6' to the center and 7' for the M60's. I mainly watch movies eg: Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, etc and I am just not hearing the "Bass" that read so much about in the forums, I even heard someone say they almost did not need a sub with the M60's. I have ran Audyssey setup 5 times now and basically get the same settings every time. I personally think the problem is that the speakers are not far enough to either side of the TV/VP150. The left M60 is only 1.5' from the center and the right M60 is about 3.5' to the right of the center. So the distance between the M60's is 7'. The M60's are set at 40Hz, I thought that would do it but.....
I hope this is not to confusing. Thanks for any help in advance!!!

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Funcshun #225411 10/14/08 10:58 PM
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Are you not getting enough bass from your sub?? I have a similar setup with M22, VP150, STF-3 sub and QS8's and get all the bass I need from the sub.

I dont own M60's, but after a big listening session at MOJO's place we had M3, 22, 60, 80's and personally the M80's, were the best speaker of them all, but next to them I prefer the clarity of the M22's to the extra bass of the M60's.

Maybe somebody else that upgraded from 22's to 60's can suggest something, but M22's were my 2nd favorite Axiom speaker and the sub fills in for its lack of bass.

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Set the front XO to 80Hz, 40Hz is way too low.


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SRoode #225413 10/14/08 11:14 PM
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Set your speakers to small in the receiver with 80hz crossover.


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SirQuack #225415 10/14/08 11:17 PM
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By the way, how did you run Audyssey with an Onkyo receiver?


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I believe the 705 and other models have MultEQ built in, not just Denons.


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SirQuack #225417 10/14/08 11:22 PM
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You are correct sir!


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SirQuack #225418 10/14/08 11:25 PM
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Here is what Audyssey set the speakers as.
Front: Full Band, which I changed to 40Hz
Center: 70Hz
Surround: 120Hz
Surr Back: 60Hz
LPF of LFE: 80Hz

I thought that by lowering the Hz it would send more low freq (Bass) to the M60's.?.

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Funcshun #225419 10/14/08 11:31 PM
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My onkyo 605 does the same thing with front speakers as it seems yours does. No matter what speaker is in the front it automatically sets it to full range.


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Re: Swapped M22's for M60's, Need a little help.
thefwam #225423 10/15/08 12:07 AM
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OK, looks like no one posted the obvious one here: make sure the binding straps between the posts on the speakers are all in place. Did you verify that all 4 of the drivers on each speaker are working by sticking your ear up next to them?

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