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Re: 3808 owners: have u purchased your feature upgrade
MarkSJohnson #230384 11/18/08 04:27 PM
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The problem you have is that it is way too nice a room to start installing ugly bass traps. I am considering some myself, mostly because the two troublesome corners are not visible (or only partially in one case). But your living room is very nice. And these things are expensive!

Also... I don't have a wife and I change girlfriends often enough that they never reach the point of daring to make suggestions on what I am allowed to put or not put in MY living room! \:\)


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Re: 3808 owners: have u purchased your feature upgrade
EFalardeau #230386 11/18/08 04:33 PM
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So, in the end, Ray3 was right all along: The solution to having a great HT experience is to "Sell the Wife"!

Jay: I didn't realize that Denon had a $100 price increase.

I'm surprised. Though the 3808 is well-liked, it's been out a year and new competition has come along. Throw in the economy and the fact that peoples' budgets and discretionary income is likely down, they might have done better to use it as something shiny to wave in front of people to give them a little incentive over the competition.

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Re: 3808 owners: have u purchased your feature upgrade
MarkSJohnson #230395 11/18/08 05:39 PM
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 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
Almost four years ago, I asked in Part V of my "Mother of all Posts" about the "Loudness" button and what ever became of it:

"What happened to "Loudness" controls? Don't human ears perceive Bass and Treble differently at lower volumes anymore, or was that never the case? I don't see that button or receivers or pre/pros anymore…. "

I think it's a bit funny that the Denon offers that as it's main feature in a $100 upgrade! Is there at least a switch on the front to engage it or a remote-enabled switch for it?

Don't get me wrong, I've always loved the "loudness" buttons for when I wanted to play something softly and didn't want it to sound thin, it's just funny to me that it came back as an extra-cost option! \:\)

Next up: a $75 option to switch your FM tuner to Mono for weak stations!

Hey you kids, get off my lawn!


Chris (CTO of Audyssey) explained it pretty well on AVS forum. But suffice to say, it's not just a bump in the wire for LFE to make it louder. If that were the case, I could do it with my sub's volume knob! \:\)

Oh, and it's remote capable on/off. Dynamic EQ really does make bass sound better.


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Hansang #230402 11/18/08 06:40 PM
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Mark - I think of the earlier loudness capabilities as a one-size fits all bump of certain frequencies. It adds that bump no matter how loudly you listen, which works much better at some levels than others.

What Audyssey did is came up with a more advanced formula to apply the "loudness" effect. It takes into account all of the Audyssey readings done in your room and then applies their algorithm to bump the right frequencies the right amount at the current volume level. This is different for each room and at each volume level, so it's something that would be impossible to do without linking it to the Audyssey calibration.

Would I like it to be included for free? "Hell ya," but given that it was something new and not common to other receivers (yet), I was more willing to pay for the upgrade. Now that I have, I'm very happy I did. The difference is very apparent, especially when I thought it would be hard to make my previous system sound much better. This is like a whole new level of goodness (the opposite of suckage) that I hadn't imagined possible out of the same system. \:\)

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myrison #230404 11/18/08 06:57 PM
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The opposite of suckage? There IS such a thing? \:\)

I should have included more or bigger smilies in my post. I honestly DID assume that there was more to it than a simple bass boost, I just couldn't help standing on the soapbox a bit in comparing it to the "Loudness" button that was on everything in years past. Part of the fun is sounding like a cranky old man, though I still have a few years to go for that!


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MarkSJohnson #230408 11/18/08 07:16 PM
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You just have to keep working on the cranky part

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MarkSJohnson #230420 11/18/08 09:52 PM
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 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
The opposite of suckage? There IS such a thing? \:\)

I should have included more or bigger smilies in my post. I honestly DID assume that there was more to it than a simple bass boost, I just couldn't help standing on the soapbox a bit in comparing it to the "Loudness" button that was on everything in years past. Part of the fun is sounding like a cranky old man, though I still have a few years to go for that!


I remember my Kenwood box had it. It was pretty much pushed in all the time so it never really made much difference. Of course if you record FM songs onto a cassette tape, I doubt fidelity was my primary concern!

Oh hell, did I just get the RIAA lawyers on my ass?


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MarkSJohnson #230430 11/18/08 11:47 PM
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 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
Part of the fun is sounding like a cranky old man, though I still have a few years to go for that!


You've got a long ways to go. \:\)


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MarkSJohnson #230450 11/19/08 02:55 AM
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The opposite of suckage? There IS such a thing?


Lickage?

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pmbuko #230517 11/19/08 01:31 PM
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Mark. Amazing!! I had never taken the time to go back and read what is truly, The Mother of All Posts. It could be easily published as a How To Book for a clean, effective and attractive HT seup.

Really nice craftsmanship. Your room might be square but the work done to make it all come together is second to none.


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