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W22's or M60's?
#238380 01/06/09 01:42 PM
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I posted this on Audioholics, but think its better for me to go to the Axiom source!

I am debating the on-wall speakers w22's (have a toddler and newborn!) vs. floor standing, m60.....I also like the flushed uncluttered look of the on-wall. I will pair this with rears and an EP500. Still debating on 5.1 vs. 7.1

here is the setup: We have a room that is 30' x 18', with 11' foot ceilings....the back half will have a pool table and ping pong table and the front half will have a TV, sofa and other media stuff...so its not a "true" media room. The sofa will sit at the midpoint or so at 15', so that will be the viewing distance for sports and movies. I plan on getting a projector and screen.

I want speakers that will be good for movies from this distance, but also give me enough sound for the whole room for music when shooting pool.

Keep in mind we don't need loud blazing music...just good sound.

Can I get by with the W22's, and EP500 and set of rears or will i need to get the floor standing?

Finally...should I get a 5.1 and set the rears at the back of the room or should I get a 7.1 and place a set of rears halfway near the sofa and then another set of rears at the back of the room?

Looking for some good insight...Thanks!

Re: W22's or M60's?
Parin #238381 01/06/09 02:01 PM
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Welcome Parin,

Well, that is a pretty big room, tuff call. Actually, my room is similar, just wider with 9ft ceilings, 31 x 30 x 9. I've never heard the 22's or w22's, they do get good reviews. A floorstanding speaker will give you better bass performance overall, in addition to the sub.

For 5.1, you want the "surrounds" to the side of the listening area (couch) or for 7.1 you add the "rears" which go further back, that room could definately handle a 7.1 environment.

For music, I only listen to my m80's with the sub, never use the rear speakers, so if you like to turn it up once in awhile for pool playing like I do, you may want a larger full range speaker. A lot depends on your listening habits.

I have kids to, but they learn to stay away, if you give them that look. \:\) Axiom is planning on coming out with a m60 and m80 version of the T-Series flat wall speakers this year I believe, not sure if you would have enough depth in your wall cavity though for them, they are almost as deep as the real thing.


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SirQuack #238387 01/06/09 02:20 PM
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Another welcome, Parin!

I, too, am a bit unsure of the 22-series filling that room for you. Sirquack's response above really covered things well, but I'll add one more thing: Axiom's towers, for all their great attributes, can be a little tipsy. It's not like they'll fall over if you look at them wrong, but I think a three year old could do if he/she tried. Honestly, I would be a bit concerned about one of the kids bumping a speaker over onto another.

Of course, the problem would be easily solved with some fancy (or very simple) "outriggers" to extend the footprint of the speakers:






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MarkSJohnson #238390 01/06/09 02:31 PM
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Thanks for nice welcome and quick responses! Both of you guys had great ideas. My living room/kitchen right now is roughly the size of that area that we will be building in the new house. Maybe I should buy a pair of M22's with the sub and see how they sound? I would rather go for the w22 cuz along with the kids I really do like a nice flushed look without stuff on the ground.

I will be buying a 110" Carada screen and will really need to figure out how far off the ground and far from the screen i should put the w22's, if i go that route over the floor standing. The benifit of the floorstanding is that i don't have to worry so much about placement right away.

Thanks again!

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Parin #238393 01/06/09 03:16 PM
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If the W22s don't work, for the cost of shipping, you can always upgrade to the M60 for the cost of shipping within the first 30 days.


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But the W22s require in-wall installation to really know how they'll work or sound...


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Good point. Now he has two holes for in-wall AV equipment shelving started.

Maybe try the reverse, Go with M60s because you can move them around and can be shipped back without hiring a drywall guy. If you like the sound and want to commit to wall units, you can then exchange them.

However, I'm guessing that once you hear them, you will never want to be without them. Not even long enough for the new ones to arrive.

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Parin #238398 01/06/09 03:30 PM
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Each room is different in the way the acoustics sound, so trying them in your kitchen/living room won't give you the same results as you might get in the final location. It might give you a little idea if the 22's would meet your needs in a larger space.

Normally, you want the tweeters of the left/right/center to be as close to ear level as possible when seated. With speakers not attached to the walls, you will have more options on positioning them to get the best soundstage, vocals, bass response, etc... If you go fixed, I would try to experiment by using chairs/boxes or whatever at different heights and distances from side walls to make sure music and movies sound the best before you make it permanent. The voices in musice if set up right, will appear to be coming from your center speaker.

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MarkSJohnson #238401 01/06/09 03:37 PM
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 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
But the W22s require in-wall installation to really know how they'll work or sound...

I would check with Axiom directly on this one. It looks like they are still an encased speaker - they have their own box - so I would think that you would get a pretty good idea by positioning them on wall without cutting holes.

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OMG, you mean Alan is not here yet today?

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