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#242500 - 01/24/09 04:57 PM Re: Axiom vs. av123's Rockets [Re: fredk]
Adrian Offline
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Loc: It's all about the location.
I think woodworkers call that 'patina'...."debth" ;\)
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#242501 - 01/24/09 04:58 PM Re: Axiom vs. av123's Rockets [Re: fredk]
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Well, except for the amps.


The Audiobyte amps are assembled in Dwight. I'm not sure about the A1400-8, though.
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#242502 - 01/24/09 04:58 PM Re: Axiom vs. av123's Rockets [Re: Adrian]
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I was sure axiom drivers were made in China, the cabnets, speaker assembly and all R&D is done in Ontario, Canada.

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#242503 - 01/24/09 05:17 PM Re: Axiom vs. av123's Rockets [Re: Worfzara]
Adrian Offline
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Loc: It's all about the location.
This is from an email Alan sent me not too long ago, when I asked him where the drivers were made:

...woofers, midranges, and tweeters are built in an Axiom owned facility in Shanghai, the exception being the aluminum cone woofers used in the EP500/600/800 subs...these are built mainly in Axiom's Dwight, Ontario plant....Design, engineering and testing of all drivers is done in the Ontario plant...the woofers and midrange are all aluminum-core units, the tweeters are titanium-aluminum composite dome...

I guess the key words here are, Axiom owned. They don't appear to sub out the work, giving them greater control over quality and product. \:\)
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#242507 - 01/24/09 05:40 PM Re: Axiom vs. av123's Rockets [Re: Adrian]
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Gee and I thought they were made in Canada. Must have missed that somewhere.

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#242513 - 01/24/09 06:10 PM Re: Axiom vs. av123's Rockets [Re: BoB/335]
Adrian Offline
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Loc: It's all about the location.
Depends really what one means when they say "made in ....". The speakers themselves are built and assembled in Dwight, but the drivers (most) are made offshore, in an Axiom owned and operated plant. I don't think you'll find too many electronics or any other product (with many components) that is completely made in only one country. Look at a 'domestic' car for eg.... ;\)
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#242518 - 01/24/09 06:25 PM Re: Axiom vs. av123's Rockets [Re: Adrian]
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That is true Adrian, most companies get their drivers, etc. from China or other locations. In Axioms case, they own and operate the factory and control the standards of their components.
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#242522 - 01/24/09 06:57 PM Re: Axiom vs. av123's Rockets [Re: CV]
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 Originally Posted By: CV
 Originally Posted By: fredk
4. Quantify wherever possible. I have seen only two sets of independant measurements for AV123 products. The rocket 750 (older product) the xstatics. The 750 had a huge midrange hump which the reviewer noted. The extatics also have a midrange hump and considerably more distortion than the M80s. Both of these things will colour the sound.


So Danny Richie is a genius at humping?

I get the joke... ;\) but Danny did not create the crossover for the RS750's. That credit is given to Dick Pierce. All new Rocket speakers are designed to give the flattest response possible.

Danny did design the x-static crossover. I can't read graphs to know what a midrange hump is, but here is the frequency response of that speaker.

x-static freq response
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#242524 - 01/24/09 07:01 PM Re: Axiom vs. av123's Rockets [Re: pmbuko]
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 Originally Posted By: pmbuko
The Audiobyte amps are assembled in Dwight. I'm not sure about the A1400-8, though.

Could be. I know when I visited last March they were in the process of starting up amp production in China. I guess I should not assume that means all amps.
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#242541 - 01/24/09 08:01 PM Re: Axiom vs. av123's Rockets [Re: fredk]
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 Originally Posted By: Worfzara

Some people like some of the inconsistancies of the veneer, gives more of a natural look, and others, like myself, would rather have the perfect every time looking vinyl.



I think it's awsome Axiom lets you make the choice (if you can afford it).
I can’t agree more. I especially like the vinyl because I wanted the best sound for my $ appearance is ancillary to me.

AV123s business and marketing strategies are what keep causing these problems for it. Similar issues have plagued the owner in other business ventures for the same reasons. They pre-sell far to many of their products some of which aren’t even off the drawing board so when the inevitable glitches start happening the problem escalates quickly. They now are getting away from doing this.

I think another reason you see so many vocal angry AV123 customers compared to Axiom is that for the most part Axiom lets it’s products speak for themselves whereas AV123s owner stokes up the fan-base and bystanders with his own personal excitement about his products. When emotional excitement plays a significant role in someone (purchasing) choice they experience large amounts of cognitive dissonance toward the decision. The result of this is that they either defend their decision to the death or if they change their mind they tend to go all the way from love to hate.

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