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Paul, you just got a free ~2x power upgrade!

Ya!!! Now that's cool!!!

paul

Please let us know how you like the M80s on the Yamaha 2700. I also have a 2700 and listen to lots of metal. I use either M3 or M22 speakers. I keep switching between those right now.

I love my RX-V2700 reciever so I'd like to know how it drives the M80s.

Thanks

I too nave been pondering the power needed to do a decent job with the M80's. Mind you, not without taking some heat from Dewd, Alan L. and others. I approach the power issue from a lower power point (no, there will not be any slides).

I'm real close to placing my Axiom order (fronts, VP150, 4-QS8's...tomorrow?), but am still unsure as to the M80/ M60 choice. I bought a Denon 1909 (90wpc) 8 weeks ago. Now I realize I would have been better off with a 2809 (115wpc) or 3808 (130wpc). I figure to appease my quandary, I will probably order both the 60's and 80's, and return one pair. I am weighing:
1) If I go with the M60's I may have enough power for the 8 ohm M60's, 6 ohm VP150 & QS8's. Or is the 1909 on the lower end for that combo too.
2) If I go with the M80's, MAYBE I can squeak by with the 1909, until I recover from the speaker purchase (6-9 months??). Yes? No, not really?

My current use is just HT, I would like to get back into listening to music after doing some demo material listening. :o)

I am thinking that the 1909, especially in my 31' x 23' room, was not a choice that allows for as full an audio stage as I would like. I was even more ignorant of the audio world when I started this upgrade journey a few months ago, than I am, rather still now. My first choice is to be able to have a strong HT and music system for this great room in my home. I will be here a long time, so I would rather bite the bullet and do a decent job now. I'm not talking pre/pro, 200w amps, yada yada. I'd love getting a good AVR at a good price.

From the sounds of the conversations above that: "you should be fine" with the 140w Yamaha, makes me wonder if even the 3808 is a power compromise?? I hate to stretch the budget further and pay full boat on possibly a new (rumored) 3810, (or other AVR recommendation)

Personally, i think your current receiver will be fine with the M80s.

I think the "you should be fine with the 140w Yamaha" refers more to the fact that Yamaha is not a brand normally recommended for the M80s. Denon is.

The difference between your 90 wpc and 130wpc is about 2dB.... nearly negligible.

Dave, it really just depends on how loud you want it to be, but the 1909 should get pretty freakin loud.

I will probably brand you as some sort of traitor if you abandon the noble M60

Does the 1909 have pre-outs?

I have the 1909 (actually 789,same thing) running my M80's, VP150 and QS8's. It can play very loud and long and stay cool to the touch. I had the same experience with the 1905. The 1909 has no pre-outs, but does support all HD sound formats.

One thing to consider is the M80s are a more efficient speaker than the M60s so it would take LESS power to achieve the same spl with the M80s as it would the M60s.

Secondly the Denon would increase in watts available to the speaker @ 4 ohm. You will have LESS power to run the LESS efficient M60s if that's what you choose.

I've got my M80s in 2 channel and my Denon 2809 rated at 115w per channel can play well beyond "comfortable" levels. Found that out the hard way...the volume dial on the 2809 is a nice finely graduated dial, takes a few turns to dial in some volume. First time I used the remote I was expecting the same kind of graduated (slow) volume increase when I hit the "+" on the remote. Whoahhh!

Tom, as I would expect from either esteemed camp. That is why I will buy both to demo. I'll return one (undisclosed) pair. Then, when I am around the M80 fanboy club, I'll be wearing their color jersey. Conversely, when with the M60 fanboy club, I'll wear their color jersey. I'll of course need to be way more careful than Sara Palin, to not mix up my 'teams'. I figure I can be luaded for making the 'smart' choice by both camps...
for at least 7-9 minutes, then I'm ostracized by all! (maybe there is a better plan 'b'...)