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#254887 - 04/01/09 12:02 PM Re: DHC 9.9 [Re: Zimm]
PeterChenoweth Offline
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Registered: 10/23/03
Posts: 1349
Loc: Jacksonville, IL
The UMC will be Emotiva's fourth prepro. While they are all discontinued now, they had the entry level LMC-1, the mid-range MMC-1, and the high-end DMC-1. They sold an AVR too, the DMR-1, which I think is functionally the same as the DMC-1, but I'm not completely sure.

A couple of years ago, I owned an LMC-1 for a couple of weeks. It had some 'quirky' problems that annoyed me. Emotiva was great to work with. Lonnie (the designer) and I exchanged many emails and a phone call or two. He was helpful. But in the end I just wasn't happy with it. I returned it for a full (and prompt) refund. AFAIK, the MMC and DMC were well-regarded by those that owned them. Only the LMC has a reputation for being slightly buggy, and really only in the early versions of the software (which is what I had). The software was fully user-updatable, so had I just been patient with those quirks, I might be a happy LMC owner eagerly awaiting his 40% discount on the UMC. ;\)

I have full confidence that *if* the UMC turns out to be a dud, Emotiva will actively work hard to solve the problem(s). They did exactly that on the LMC-1. Or if I just don't like it, they'll abide by their 30-day return policy, just as they did before. It's a shame that Emotiva has a bit of a tarnished reputation around here due to the M80-impedance debacle. I do think they're a good group of folks trying to make a great product. Very much like Axiom. Just an unfortunate fact that some M80's appear to not play well with some of their amps.

And while I have zero personal experience, I have read nothing but horror stories about Onkyo and Integra customer support. Integra certainly enjoys a high reputation for quality, but I'm sure a lot of that price is simply a reflection of the markups required to sell it through their dealer network. The fact that a dealer can knock $600 off the price without batting an eye is testament to that fact.

I'll give the UMC a shot. If it's crap, I'll say so, send it back, and find something else. That 9.9 will still be waiting. ;\)
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#254890 - 04/01/09 12:12 PM Re: DHC 9.9 [Re: PeterChenoweth]
Zimm Offline
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Registered: 12/08/08
Posts: 1361
Loc: New Orleans
Glad you pointed that out. I'm in the market for the UMC as well and that background helps (although I know you have expressed that before). Can't argue with the Integra markup point. I'm hoping Emotiva sets the world on fire with their product - just not sure it will better the Integra in version 1 trim.
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#254915 - 04/01/09 02:16 PM Re: DHC 9.9 [Re: Zimm]
bugbitten Offline
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Registered: 04/06/05
Posts: 2339
Loc: Madisonville, KY
Emotiva now has June as the expected date for the UMC-1 on their website.

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#254922 - 04/01/09 03:04 PM Re: DHC 9.9 [Re: bugbitten]
jakewash Offline
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Registered: 12/26/03
Posts: 10399
Loc: Calgary, Alberta
Hmmmm. April, last year, then more assorted dates through till this April now June, do I hear December 09 just in time for Christmas, I think they would be better off just not saying with this particular item as it seems to not want to go to market. Why do I suspect there are some bugs they are trying to fix and once that bug is squashed it produces another, kind of seems the case with all the delays, this applies to S/N as well.

I wonder how much of it is due to all the new technology they are trying to bring out in this model. Makes me wonder if Cary Audio has the right idea with a seperate audio processor and video processor.
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#254924 - 04/01/09 03:12 PM Re: DHC 9.9 [Re: jakewash]
PeterChenoweth Offline
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Registered: 10/23/03
Posts: 1349
Loc: Jacksonville, IL
I've been following this UMC situation for over a year. While there have been hints in the podcasts as to dates, this is the first time that they've actually put up a date on the product page itself. I find that meaningful. Perhaps I'm being too optimistic.

Make no mistake though, I totally agree with you that it's taken a VERY long time to bring it to market. Hell, there are posts that I made on Emotiva's forum last May/June where I said I was looking forward to the July '08 release date. ;\)

They claim to be in the second round of testing, to test the error corrections made from the first round. It just seems to take them a really long time to get stuff done.

But I can't help but think that they wouldn't have actually published that date if they weren't reasonably sure they could hit it.

And Emotiva has learned from this. They've already stated (in the forums) that they have other products in the pipeline, but that they will not be releasing any information about them until they have firm release dates. Whether that's BS remains to be seen, but it's probably a wise decision.
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#254931 - 04/01/09 04:05 PM Re: DHC 9.9 [Re: PeterChenoweth]
jakewash Offline
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Registered: 12/26/03
Posts: 10399
Loc: Calgary, Alberta
All those previous release dates sounded pretty firm too, but I agree, I think many companies are learning from this. I just know that many of the larger players never release any info until the product is ready for sale, which I think is smart.
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#254959 - 04/01/09 06:54 PM Re: DHC 9.9 [Re: jakewash]
Gieseman Offline
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Registered: 05/08/06
Posts: 90
Loc: Utah
I picked up a early 9.8 and was not happy with it, the video decoding was very bad. Took it back and picked up a rotel-1068 audio only, very happy with it. I have the integra 5.6 receiver in the bedroom, happy with it but I use it only for audio too. I'm to scared to try anthor per-pro the 9.8 fixed me and I didn't like the audio part of it either.
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#268120 - 08/04/09 02:07 AM Re: DHC 9.9 [Re: Gieseman]
mikeak Offline
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Registered: 07/31/09
Posts: 28
Late to the party, but I went the other way with my receiver / speakers. I got the SC-07 for what I thought was a great price (still happy about it). And then I started speaker shopping. Well the SC-07 should OFFICIALLY not be used for speakers below 6ohm. Plenty of owners on the other forum verified that it works fine. I was interested in how does it work with the M80's.

Peter thanks for confirming that it was a great setup minus some things you didn't like. I have the receiver and it isn't going back. Now I am getting the 80s \:\)

Thanks

Separate item -- it was discussed at length in this thread why receivers weren't upscaling HDMI input data when cheap DVD players / bluray players can do this.

One question on this subject (could be covered elsewhere) is it possibly cheaper to upscale the data from the disc and then output it via HDMI vs. receiving it through HDMI and then processing it?

Probably covered somewhere, but it was just a thought I had while reading this

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#268127 - 08/04/09 09:57 AM Re: DHC 9.9 [Re: mikeak]
PeterChenoweth Offline
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Registered: 10/23/03
Posts: 1349
Loc: Jacksonville, IL
Congrats on the SC-07, mikeak. I was extremely pleased with the SC-05 (even though I returned it....). I'm sure you'll be impressed with the SC-07. It had no trouble at all running my M80's to high volume levels, so I highly doubt the SC-07 will.

Did you get it from the 'name your price' campaign from Sixth Avenue Electronics? I know that's been a very popular way to get an amazing price on the 05 & 07.

One slight caveat is that I did run my M80's bi-amped on the SC-05. That might make a very slight impedance load difference to the receiver/amp. I didn't try the M80+SC-05 combo in the 'normal' wired mode.
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#268133 - 08/04/09 10:10 AM Re: DHC 9.9 [Re: PeterChenoweth]
ClubNeon Offline
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Registered: 02/06/09
Posts: 3448
Loc: Western Maryland, USA
As I recall Pioneer's implementation of the ICE amp modules, had issues with low impedance at high frequencies. They become unstable, and go into thermal protection when driving <4 Ohms at >12kHz. Luckily the M80 presents a load of about 9 Ohms at that frequency and it goes up from there.

Down low, where the M80's impedance drops, Pioneer's amps are solid. So they are a well suited match.
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