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#256907 - 04/15/09 12:20 PM Re: Speakers just arrived! Question. [Re: Ken.C]
tomtuttle Offline
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Registered: 06/20/03
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Loc: Tacoma
Dave, don't take Audyssey as infallible.

You're not really into that whole "relax and listen" thing, are you? \:\)
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#256908 - 04/15/09 12:22 PM Re: Speakers just arrived! Question. [Re: Ken.C]
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Registered: 02/12/09
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Loc: Discovery Bay, CA
Ken,

You are right. I should hook the M60's to my iMac at the other end of the room. They should sound way better than the 8" Logitecs there now!
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#256912 - 04/15/09 12:25 PM Re: Speakers just arrived! Question. [Re: tomtuttle]
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Loc: Discovery Bay, CA
 Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
Dave, don't take Audyssey as infallible.

You're not really into that whole "relax and listen" thing, are you? \:\)


Tom,
I've never heard of this thing you speak of... "relax and listen". Is it some kind of new software or maybe a firmware upgrade to the 3808?
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#256921 - 04/15/09 12:57 PM Re: Speakers just arrived! Question. [Re: davekro]
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Wow Dave, I think you are really over complicating this... You are seriously not missing anything in the backs with that cross over. You could lower them to 80 Hz if it makes you feel better, but I bet the sound would not change.

I agree, "relax and listen" for a while. This will drive you crazy if you try to make it perfect.

*It's a good thing no one told you about REW (Room EQ Wizard) software. You could spend weeks tweaking each speaker with that.
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#256946 - 04/15/09 05:40 PM Re: Speakers just arrived! Question. [Re: dewd]
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Dave,
It's a condition I try to manage. On good days, the meds help a lot. \:D I thought I was bad until I went over to that banana plug speaker wire discussion. I'm feeling pretty normal now. ;\)

Zimm, how are your meds holding up today over on the 'wired' thread? ;\)

I have 3 weeks or so on the return policy, so I want to be able to confirm that the Qs are a significant (worth $500/pair) improvement over my old speakers. Or maybe if M2's might be a better fit in my room/ set up. So a testing I must do.

I just place my Bic V52's (M2 size and sim. specs) on the 8' stands AND tilted my wall mounted QS8's down 25º. I am off to run Audyssey again. If the M2 sized bookshelf gets crossed at or near 150Hz, like the QS8s, then it is the location/ my room, not the speakers causing the (relatively) high x-over...
Back in a bit. \:\)
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#256950 - 04/15/09 07:30 PM Re: Speakers just arrived! Question. [Re: davekro]
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[quote=davekro I just place my Bic V52's (M2 size and sim. specs) on the 8' stands (instead of the tilted QS8s) AND tilted my wall mounted QS8's down 25º (instaed of being mounted flat w/ t-brkt). [/quote]

A bit of a change to the x-overs set by the 1909 after getting the roll off freq's from Audyssey.
1) SL/SR from 90Hz to 110Hz
It seems being flush mounted yields a little lower freq. with the QS8s. The decision to tilt or not seems between a theoretical aiming advantage (tilted) vs. an actual lower freq. (20Hz. flat mounted in this test).

2) SBL/SBR from (QS8s tilted) 150Hz to (M2 'type' BShelf) 120Hz
30Hz lower freq. from the bookshelf than the QS8 mounted in the same position (mid ceiling) and tilted a similar amount.

I will listen to the system this way for a while to see if I can tell a difference between the back Qs and bookshelfs.
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#256951 - 04/15/09 07:33 PM Re: Speakers just arrived! Question. [Re: davekro]
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So Audyssey found these new settings, or did you change them? I thought if you changed them downward it would disengage what Audyssey did?
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#256952 - 04/15/09 07:48 PM Re: Speakers just arrived! Question. [Re: SirQuack]
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Loc: Discovery Bay, CA
 Originally Posted By: sirquack
So Audyssey found these new settings.

Correct, after a full six position Audyssey calibration, these were the results. The only change I made was to make the M80 'Small' and x-over at 80Hz, as is the Audyssey recommendation.

 Originally Posted By: sirquack
I thought if you changed them downward it would disengage what Audyssey did?

If 'I' were to have manually gone in and lowered any channels frequencies, the frequencies in between would not be controlled by Audyssey (which as stated, I did NOT do).
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#256953 - 04/15/09 07:50 PM Re: Speakers just arrived! Question. [Re: dewd]
davekro Offline
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Registered: 02/12/09
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Loc: Discovery Bay, CA
 Originally Posted By: dewd
Wow Dave, I think you are really over complicating this...


Thanks.
It's a gift, really! \:\)
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#256982 - 04/15/09 11:13 PM Re: Speakers just arrived! Question. [Re: davekro]
Adrian Offline
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Registered: 12/27/08
Posts: 6609
Loc: It's all about the location.
Dave, the second piece of tape from the right is out 1/4 " in your picture.
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