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#256003 - 04/08/09 11:50 AM Re: My replies [Re: tomtuttle]
doormat Offline
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Registered: 10/28/07
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Loc: Cold Lake, AB
If you go into the menu for "Direct mode" (on the 3808 it is under Manual Setup > Audio Setup > 2 Channel Direct/Stereo) there should be an option to include a sub.
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#256025 - 04/08/09 12:32 PM Re: My replies [Re: JohnK]
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Registered: 02/12/09
Posts: 562
Loc: Discovery Bay, CA
 Originally Posted By: JohnK
Yes, Dean has indicated his preference for a vertical center speaker and during the seven years I've been here I've pointed out their advantages numerous times.

I'll try an M60 as center as Fred suggested. I'm not sure what I can extrapolate to what an M22 as center might sound like.

 Originally Posted By: JohnK
Your difficulty with finding a mode for using the sub with the mains in 2-channel play shouldn't be, since the regular stereo mode(not direct)sends signals to the sub below the crossover set when the mains are set "small".

Thanks, I missed that! Stereo it is now to include sub. Any idea how 'Virtual' might differ from 'Stereo'?

 Originally Posted By: JohnK
As far as making poorly recorded material sound less offensive, I found in the past that reducing the upper midrange/lower treble area around 3-6KHz(on a receiver with variable crossovers)helped somewhat. On your 1909, using the manual equalizer to drop that area a bit might help on some recordings. Since bad recordings sound worse the louder the playing level, the best cure may be to listen to them with the sound level set to about 30dB(assuming that your listening room noise floor is higher than that).

I am not familiar with how to drop the 'mid lower treble area'. I am only familiar with adjusting the x-over for each pair (and CC/subs) of speakers. How would I do this?

-30 volume level produces ≈ 79dB (continuous) at the 12' listening position. That is ok, not rock out level, but if that is all one can 'stand' for poorer CD recording's, that will need to do.
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#256029 - 04/08/09 12:37 PM Re: My replies [Re: davekro]
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At some point, you have to compare the M80 to M60 without subs, at FULL RANGE. All this 80hz cut-off business is nice, but fact is, if you want to compare two speakers you have to let them do it on their own. I expect you are actually handicapping the M80 as it should go lower, but I'm curious.
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#256032 - 04/08/09 12:42 PM Re: My replies [Re: doormat]
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Loc: Discovery Bay, CA
 Originally Posted By: doormat
If you go into the menu for "Direct mode" (on the 3808 it is under Manual Setup > Audio Setup > 2 Channel Direct/Stereo) there should be an option to include a sub.

Going there in the menu shows:
Setting: Basic
SW: Yes
Subwoofer mode: LFE
x-over: 80Hz
Distances: 12.8', 12.9'

So I am good there. Like JohnK mentioned, I was mistaken and had overlooked that 'Stereo' mode includes the sub and is the mode to use if I want 2 ch + sub.
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#256033 - 04/08/09 12:45 PM Re: My replies [Re: tomtuttle]
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 Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
Man, that would have been SO MUCH easier to understand with pictures.


Tom,
Whine! Whine! Whine! OK, I'll go take some pictures now to shut you up! ;\)
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#256035 - 04/08/09 12:48 PM Re: My replies [Re: Zimm]
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Registered: 12/27/08
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Loc: It's all about the location.
Agreed, Charles. Dave, if you're going to compare the two towers, you should definitely try them at full range w/o the sub initially, imo(after, test them with the sub). According to Axiom's specs, the 80s should go a little lower.
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#256041 - 04/08/09 01:20 PM Re: My replies [Re: Adrian]
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I felt they did go lower with my own experience but I also found vocals and the upper end to be more pronounced on the M80s vs. 60's.
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#256051 - 04/08/09 02:08 PM Re: My replies [Re: Adrian]
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Loc: Discovery Bay, CA
 Originally Posted By: Adrian
Agreed, Charles. Dave, if you're going to compare the two towers, you should definitely try them at full range w/o the sub initially, imo(after, test them with the sub). According to Axiom's specs, the 80s should go a little lower.

Adrian, buried in the looooooong posts above, that is exactly what we did. Yes, the 80's did go lower of course, and had a much wider deeper sound field. More testing when time allows.
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#256055 - 04/08/09 02:16 PM Re: My replies [Re: jakewash]
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Loc: Discovery Bay, CA
 Originally Posted By: jakewash
I felt they did go lower with my own experience but I also found vocals and the upper end to be more pronounced on the M80s vs. 60's.

We actually found mids/highs to be more pronounced with 60's, BUT, I need to redo all testing because the circuit protection was inadvertently left 'ON' by mistake. When protection was turned 'OFF', the dB level went up 2.5dB.
So above testing will be redone with protection OFF. \:\)
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#256056 - 04/08/09 02:17 PM Re: My replies [Re: davekro]
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Registered: 02/12/09
Posts: 562
Loc: Discovery Bay, CA
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