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Re: My replies
Zimm #256062 04/08/09 08:01 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Zimm
At some point, you have to compare the M80 to M60 without subs, at FULL RANGE. All this 80hz cut-off business is nice, but fact is, if you want to compare two speakers you have to let them do it on their own. I expect you are actually handicapping the M80 as it should go lower, but I'm curious.

Charles,
Crap, I was assuming I was listening to 60/80's full range by listening in direct mode. Waaaah. I just went into menu for direct mode, changed from basic (which had sub on w/80Hz x-over...crap.) to Custom. In Custom I turned sub off. D'OH!

Thanks Charles for that catch. They are so many setting I have never adjusted before and don't know what affect what (but learning as I go with y'all's help. ;o).

Hmmmn.... Funny before posting this I was going to listen a bit at the new settings (Direct Mode SW off). I just realized the 1909's display on the right showed 2 ch (no sub), when I had been listening in 'Direct' mode before the (just now change)! Still shows same 2 ch output of course. I wonder if, even though the sub was not playing, if 'Direct' (Basic) actually did cut fronts off below 80Hz, or if all settings were somehow ignored? ?


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Re: My replies
davekro #256063 04/08/09 08:13 PM
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I just listened to more ZZ Top in Texas (BD), which has plenty of base. I Direct Mode menu settings, I switched between 'Custom' (sub off) and 'Basic' (sub, yes, LFE, 80Hz). I went back and forth several times. I could hear no difference in the base between the two settings. I'd have to say, for some reason, the Direct Mode menu settings are ignored for some reason. Anyone familiar with these settings?


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Re: My replies
davekro #256064 04/08/09 08:25 PM
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Have you tried LFE + Mains?


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Pictures... first batch
davekro #256067 04/08/09 08:50 PM
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Here is the PhotoBucket link to all the pics I took since the Axioms arrived, if you care to see more.
Dave's Axiom Pics, ver. 1.0


They ARRIVE !

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Gotta Love ZZ Top Live in Texas! This was a definite must buy for me.

M80's and M60's:

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VP150 center channel location:
I described earlier that test tones from the VP150 sounded much different then both the 80's and 60's. Also, for my ears, I needed to raise ch level from 0.0 to +2.0dB to hear movie dialogue well enough. I am curious if anyone knows if this location below TV could add to the 'too low for me' SPL CC? I doubt it because is pretty open and the VP is not ported anyway. (0.0 CC ch level was from manually setting SPL at list pos. to 75dB. CC angle has been adjusted to anlgle directly at ears at primary list. pos.)

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QS8 Side Surrounds:
These are temporarily mounted to plates inserted into old in-wall speaker frames.

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Subs: (1) Paradigm Servo-15a (2) KLH 10"
[had the KLH's before I knew what a real sub was. ;\)
The two subs shown are directly left and right of listening area, which gave the best bass.

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Billy and Dusty... tooooo coooool! Gotta love them Cheap Sunglasses! ! !
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After I get time to build the temporary stands for the 7.1 backs, I will then post a few more pics. I won't bother to runn Audyssey probably until the 8's in back are in place.
(sorry for the band width suck)


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Re: Pictures... first batch
davekro #256068 04/08/09 08:56 PM
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It's pretty typical for different speakers to sound very different with pink noise. I wouldn't necessarily take that as an indicator.


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Re: Pictures... first batch
Ken.C #256069 04/08/09 09:13 PM
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What Ken said.

Lookit all those boxes! Dang!

NICE PICTURES! Thank You! You did not seriously think that was going to "shut me up" did you? \:\)

What the hell is that thing sitting next to the Paradigm sub with the leaf on its head?!?!

You guys can't seriously tell me that the M60's don't look better than the M80's with the grills on. No contest \:\)

I'm pretty unconvinced that the placement of the KLH sub is optimal.

Beautiful room, Dave!


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Re: Pictures... first batch
tomtuttle #256070 04/08/09 09:22 PM
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The M60s might look better, but the M80s look bigger. Neener.


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Re: Pictures... first batch
Ken.C #256072 04/08/09 09:41 PM
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Ten points to the person who can - without the assistance of the interwebs - name the TV series on which Billy Gibbons made two cameo appearances.


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Re: Pictures... first batch
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X-Files?


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Re: Pictures... first batch
tomtuttle #256074 04/08/09 09:45 PM
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 Originally Posted By: tomtuttle


Lookit all those boxes! Dang!

And those were the best looking sides! I bet them boxes could tell the travel channel a thing or two.;)

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You did not seriously think that was going to "shut me up" did you?

Well, maybe just slow you down a bit. At least until your first beer (Oly ;\) ) anyway! Did you go into mourning when your local brewery closed down in Tumwater in '03? \:D \:D

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What the hell is that thing sitting next to the Paradigm sub with the leaf on its head?!?!

That's our 10lb Toy Fox Terrier/ Affenpinscher/ + God knows what. Careful Tom, he'll rip your pinky off if you 'dis him! \:D

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You guys can't seriously tell me that the M60's don't look better than the M80's with the grills on. No contest \:\)

I actually like the look of the shorter 60 in how it is about half the height of the TV. So while the 60's "have a very nice personality, I would prefer to just be friends!" \:D


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I'm pretty unconvinced that the placement of the KLH sub is optimal.
Come on over. I'll show you. What's a 12 1/2 hour drive to a guy like you? ;\)

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Beautiful room, Dave!

Thanks


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