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#257869 - 04/23/09 01:47 AM questions about the axiom m60s (room size)
Scott M Offline
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Registered: 03/09/09
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Iím looking to start piecing together a nice sound system. Iíve been wanting to do it for years, and I finally have the money to get some nice speakers. I sort of have my heart set on the Axiom m60s. Iím looking to get a set of speakers with very good soundstage/imaging, clarity, and bass. I like a lot of different things ( http://www.last.fm/user/scootermac ). Metal, Punk, and Electronica are my favorite kinds of music. I should probably note that I am not going to be using these speakers for home theater purposes, but music only. I want speakers that can go really loud without distorting. Right now I listen to most of the music I have on my computer, through a pair Klipsch Promedia 2.1 speakers. I really like them, and the subwoofer has very nice, deep bass, but itís pretty accurate and it doesnít have that boomy/distorted sound that my old subwoofer had. How would the bass on the Axiom M60s compare to the Klipsch Promedia 2.1 speakers? I would hope that the M60s could match if not surpass the bass in the KlipschÖ

My biggest concern is that the Axiom M60s might be too big for the room I am putting them in. What happens when you put tower speakers in a room that is too small for them? Iím not sure exactly what the cubic feet of the room is, but Iíd say itís somewhere around 1,000-1,200 feet. I think thatís a couple hundred cubic feet off from the recommended room size for the Axiom M60s. Is this a real big deal? How far do you need to place the M60s away from your listening position/whatís the closest they can come to your seat? The basement might be another option. Itís a bit wider, Iíd say about 15x15 feet. But the ceiling is only 6 feet high. I am going to be hooking it up to a McIntosh 1900 receiver, which is rated at 55 watts per channel. I have a feeling some of you might say to get the M22s instead. I know I would lose out on some of the bass, and would probably want to get a sub. I would be willing to do that all of that, Iím just not sure if I could hook up a sub to the old Mac receiver. I'm thinking it might not have all the right connections.

So to sum it up, can I get away with putting a pair of M60s in a room that might be slightly too small for them? What would happen if I do?


Thanks in advance for any advice.

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#257873 - 04/23/09 02:00 AM Re: questions about the axiom m60s (room size) [Re: Scott M]
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Scott, I've run tower speakers in a small room before (10x10) and it is important to play around with placement. The corners may be the biggest problem, accentuating the bass. I know options are limited in terms of placement. I've had very good luck recently with moving my chair closer to the speakers, sort of a nearfield type listening environment. This may be an option for you as it takes away some of the reflection problems you may encounter.
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#257877 - 04/23/09 02:28 AM Re: questions about the axiom m60s (room size) [Re: Scott M]
fredk Offline
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Registered: 12/06/07
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Welcome to the forums Scott. What are the physical dimensions of the room?

I suspect that if you are sitting far enough away from the speakers, you would be OK. The distance you need to be to get a proper soundfield depends on the room size and how lively it is. I would suspect that you want to be at least 4' from a set of floorstanders.

The M60 will be much better than your current setup. With dual woofers (4x what you currently have) and more cabinet space you will get both more output and lower extension.

As long as your amp has sufficient power the M60s will not distort.

Bookshelves and a sub would be a good option if you have placement issues with the M60. Since this is music only and its such a small room, the EP125 or EP175 would probably be enough.
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#257879 - 04/23/09 02:45 AM Re: questions about the axiom m60s (room size) [Re: fredk]
Scott M Offline
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Registered: 03/09/09
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Wow, I was not expecting replies so fast. Thanks!

I wish I could give the exact dimensions of the room, but it's actually in an apartment I'm moving into in a few weeks. I've visited the place a couple times, I just know the room is probably not the "optimal" size for the Axiom M60s.

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#257889 - 04/23/09 05:20 AM Re: questions about the axiom m60s (room size) [Re: Scott M]
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Loc: Calgary, Alberta
Most of us don't have optimal rooms either and with buying the M60's you are future proofed for the next bigger room.

Have you checked for an audition in the hearing things forum? Someone might live nearby and you could get to listen before purchasing.
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#257897 - 04/23/09 09:18 AM Re: questions about the axiom m60s (room size) [Re: Scott M]
pmbuko Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Scott M
Wow, I was not expecting replies so fast.

You're new here, aren't you? \:\)

Some of us live here, so there's always someone to give a quick response.
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#257901 - 04/23/09 11:23 AM Re: questions about the axiom m60s (room size) [Re: pmbuko]
Ken.C Offline
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Hi Scott. While the Promedias are pretty darn good for comp speakers, the M60s are in a completely different class. I mean no offense, but I do find the Klipsch bass to be rather bloated, so be prepared for the bass to sound different.
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#257915 - 04/23/09 12:39 PM Re: questions about the axiom m60s (room size) [Re: Ken.C]
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Registered: 12/08/08
Posts: 1361
Loc: New Orleans
You want the truth...well you can't handle the truth! I'm sorry to break the "there is no such thing as a silly question" rule, but your question is silly. Not that there is anything wrong with that. ;\) I'm not being mean (hard to believe, I know), my point is simply that you are comparing a solid 1991 Honda Civic to a 2009 Cadillac CTS.

No, the M60s are not the greatest speakers available - e.g., a Maserati Quattroporte Sport - but the upgrade you are looking at is dramatic. M60s are not computer speakers, they are audiophile speakers. Your Klipsch might be great computer speakers, but the stats they list are BS: 200 watts [uh, NO!] drive two satellites and a vented 6.5" sub woofer to 32-20,000Hz frequency range [ ] up to 106dB maximum output capability. [no, wait, tell me they did not say 106db, please!) The M60s are true full range (short of the sub zone) speakers. Meaning, they are accurate when the make a sound, not just that they can make a certain frequency at 106db). You can use M60s for any source, including your computer, but you really are not comprehending the level of sonic change you are contemplating.

One bit of advice - if you are going to use the computer as a source, you need to make sure the signal path is beefed up dramatically to take advantage of the speakers. A 55 watt amp pushing a signal from a standard sound card playing 192K mp3s will sound bad on M60 or any other good speaker. Just as the Caddy CTS would run bad on 4 temporary doughnut tires and bad gas. If you have the cash, opt for an AVR and a sound-card with digital outputs. If you don't have the cash (it happens to all of us) go for smaller speakers and secure the signal path to be sure you can enjoy the speakers. If you do this, you will be shocked by the sound in terms of realism and emotional delivery. Go for it.
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#257916 - 04/23/09 12:43 PM Re: questions about the axiom m60s (room size) [Re: Zimm]
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Scott, I had M60's in my 30ft x 31ft 9ft room for 2 years before getting the m80's, you will be fine.
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#257920 - 04/23/09 12:57 PM Re: questions about the axiom m60s (room size) [Re: SirQuack]
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Unlike Zimm and some of the other amp freaks (I say that lovingly!) I think you'll be fine with a 55W amp in that room, particularly a McIntosh, which I would use even if it was 5W. Because McIntosh amps look awesome.
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