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#259749 - 05/08/09 07:48 PM Woofers physically damaged. Options?
AdamB5000 Offline
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Registered: 05/08/09
Posts: 3
Loc: Pennsylvania
I just purchased a used pair of used M60s and a VP150. Two of the woofers on the 150 are physically damaged. The rubber surround on one of the woofers is slightly pinched. The other surround is fine, but both woofers have some crease-like damage. Looks like things bumped into it.

I have yet to hook it up, but as I have no reference with these speakers, will performance decrease be negligible? I guess I can hook it up and find out...

Worst case scenario, is woofer replacement something a home owner can do or is woofer replacement strictly a factory repair?

Thanks.

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#259751 - 05/08/09 08:16 PM Re: Woofers physically damaged. Options? [Re: AdamB5000]
BlueJays1 Offline
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Registered: 09/19/08
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Welcome to the forum AdamB5000

Since you bought these speakers in the used market the Axiom warranty is void unfortunetly. Have you contacted the seller about the shipping damage? You still have options and certain rights when it comes to these transactions as the consumer (I assume you used paypal). The worst case scenerio is that you will have to contact Axiom (toll free number, email) and pay for some replacement drivers for your VP150 that they would send you.

Good luck!
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#259754 - 05/08/09 08:28 PM Re: Woofers physically damaged. Options? [Re: BlueJays1]
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I know that I've read of other users with similar problems buying just replacement drivers from Axiom. I do not think it's rocket-science to swap them out. I suspect that if you know how to use a screwdriver, you could do it.

So yeah, I think that Axiom could help you with this. I'd email them.
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#259757 - 05/08/09 09:03 PM Re: Woofers physically damaged. Options? [Re: AdamB5000]
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Welcome to the forum Adam.

I would give them a listen before doing anything. I’m not sure what you mean by a “pinched” surround but as long as it’s not torn or impairing the movement of the cone it’s not likely to cause a problem. As for the creases, if they are on the dust cap (dome in the center of the speaker cone) they shouldn’t effect the sound, however, if they became separated from the cone they will likely make a buzzing sound at certain frequencies as the dust cap vibrates against the speaker cone.

If when you listen you think you hear something abnormal or just want to test things out you could swap out the 2 questionable 5.25 drivers on the VP150 for the ones on each of your M60s. If the abnormal sound follows the driver then you can replace it.

If a driver is bad or you just want peace-of-mind then replacing the driver is simple. Just undo the 4 screws holding the driver to the cabinet, unhook the 2 wires and do the opposite to install the other driver. When I replaced one awhile ago the clips on the wires were even sized so you couldn’t hook them up wrong and accidentally reverse the phase of the driver. I’m not sure what a 5.25” drive cost but as mentioned above just call Axiom and I’m sure they will be very helpful as always.

Cheers,
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#259759 - 05/08/09 09:13 PM Re: Woofers physically damaged. Options? [Re: grunt]
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Welcome Adam,

You don't provide details as to if the damage was shipping damage or if it was a buy as is situation. In either case, as Dean mentioned, depending on what you mean by pinched, you may not notice any issues.

Also, Axiom could probably make you a good deal on some replacment drivers. They are very easy to install. The m60's are awesome and sound great, you don't want to sacrifice what could be. \:\)
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#259771 - 05/08/09 10:41 PM Re: Woofers physically damaged. Options? [Re: SirQuack]
AdamB5000 Offline
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Registered: 05/08/09
Posts: 3
Loc: Pennsylvania
Sorry I wasn't specific. This was a pickup. They weren't shipped.

I thought maybe changing woofers was straight forward. I've never torn a speaker apart and didn't know if woofers were somehow sealed with adhesive to the cabinet. Good to know. \:\)

I'll continue giving my M60s a listen. I connected them to my Denon 1802 and played all sorts of music, from Live to Beethoven to REM and after a while I felt a little fatigued... felt like my ears were slightly ringing. Something I've never felt with my JBL Studio 26s.

It was a long day, though. I'll listen more and pop in a movie tomorrow night to see what that will bring.

Thanks again, fellas.

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#259780 - 05/08/09 11:27 PM Re: Woofers physically damaged. Options? [Re: AdamB5000]
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did you recalibrate your receiver after hooking up the Axioms? Also, your room characteristics and placement can have a great effect.
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#259819 - 05/09/09 12:09 PM Re: Woofers physically damaged. Options? [Re: SirQuack]
davekro Offline
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Registered: 02/12/09
Posts: 562
Loc: Discovery Bay, CA
Dean has an excellent idea in listening to the speakers, IF any weird sounds are heard, then swapping the driver(s) into an M60 to see if the weird sound follows the driver(s). (Dean, good one :o) ). If they sound fine and it is the center dome dust cover that is pushed in a bit, you can use the patented Ken method. You take a vacuum cleaner and VERY CAREFULLY use the suction to pull the dent out. I would only try this if you have a way to reduce the vacuum at the end of the nozzle significantly lower than normal, GENTLY approach surface of dust cap until it JUST makes contact. If more suction is needed, increase suction a little bit at a time, until enough to pop dent out (but not enough to damage the speaker.

This is JUST A COSMETIC fix. The dent in a dome should not impair the speaker's sound quality. If you are (whacked) like me, you'll risk ruining a speaker to repair a visual only blemish. \:o

Send royalties to <KenSucks@KenSucks.c0m> \:D
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#259823 - 05/09/09 12:36 PM Re: Woofers physically damaged. Options? [Re: davekro]
Ken.C Offline
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Loc: NoVA
Warn't my idea in the first place!
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#259828 - 05/09/09 03:00 PM Re: Woofers physically damaged. Options? [Re: Ken.C]
AdamB5000 Offline
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Registered: 05/08/09
Posts: 3
Loc: Pennsylvania
When I get a chance this weekend I'll hook it up and see what it sounds like.

In the mean time, here are some reference pics. The white of the woofers kind of drowns out the details of the damage. It could be the lighting, but I think it looks a little worse in person. The first pic shows damage on the bottom part of the speaker and the second pic shows damage on the bottom left. That is the one where I referred to the surround as "pinched."





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