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#264729 - 06/27/09 09:51 AM Re: Michael Jackson Dead [Re: eskimo]
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Rick, aren't "personal responsibility" and "society" kind of mutually exclusive? I mean, we can each take responsibility for ourselves, and if everyone did that society would be better off, but I can't take personal responsibility for all of society. To do that would require imposing my will on others, or subjecting my will to theirs.
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#264731 - 06/27/09 09:55 AM Re: Michael Jackson Dead [Re: Wid]
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 Originally Posted By: wid

Will all due respect Mark, saying that anyone but himself is responsible for his own actions is, well imo ridiculous .

We as a society should take personal responsibility a bit more serious. To blame anyone else for ones actions is a cop out.


I'm a HUGE believer in people taking responsibility for their own octions. I can't stand to see people sue McD's because they didn't know coffee was hot, or parents not letting kids take responsibility when they get into trouble.

But if you lock up a man in solitary for thirty years, you gotta figure he's not going to be "right" when released. It's a bit of an extreme example, but I didn't think MJ's reality was anywhere near "real", so who am I to say that it didn't affect him?

Again, I'm not really defending him (and absolutely not if the molestation charge was legit).... I'm just talking the weird skin-lightening and plastic surgery-type weirdness.
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#264732 - 06/27/09 09:57 AM Re: Michael Jackson Dead [Re: eskimo]
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I think as a society we have drifted away from taking responsibility for ourselves. If we were to reverse this trend imo we would be better off.


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#264733 - 06/27/09 10:09 AM Re: Michael Jackson Dead [Re: Wid]
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Ditto, Rick.

I also wholeheartedly believe in meliorism.


Edited by wheelz999 (06/27/09 10:14 AM)
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#264735 - 06/27/09 11:22 AM Re: Michael Jackson Dead [Re: Wid]
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 Originally Posted By: wid
We as a society should take personal responsibility a bit more serious. To blame anyone else for ones actions is a cop out.


As long as I can still blame my parents for my looks, we're all good.
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#264737 - 06/27/09 12:31 PM Re: Michael Jackson Dead [Re: CV]
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One could also say that the Jacksons, particularily Michael, never had a true childhood. How many times have we heard of kids being pushed/forced into showbiz by gold stricken parents? Just like Elvis, I'm sure Jackson(and other celebs) are surrounded by people who don't have their interests at heart.
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#264740 - 06/27/09 12:46 PM Re: Michael Jackson Dead [Re: Adrian]
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It is all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for the rich and famous. \:\) whether your talking about managers, producers, or doctors.
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#264812 - 06/29/09 10:26 AM Re: Michael Jackson Dead [Re: SirQuack]
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Michael Jackson's father interviewed on the red carpet, two days after his son's death. He is doing "great", has a publicist read a statement (yes he's standing right beside her) and even plugs his new record label. Oh yes, remember that "his family just lost the biggest superstar in the world".... NOT A SON!!

Wow!! To say that things are a little odd is an understatement.

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#264814 - 06/29/09 10:42 AM Re: Michael Jackson Dead [Re: Da_Gimp_Pimp]
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I think it's fairly safe to say that that man's an ass.
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#264818 - 06/29/09 10:50 AM Re: Michael Jackson Dead [Re: Ken.C]
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Couldn't have put it any better myself!
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