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#264823 - 06/29/09 12:25 PM Re: Michael Jackson Dead [Re: Da_Gimp_Pimp]
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Why do you thing poor Michael was as screwed up as he was? The poor kid never had anything even resembling a normal childhood or adolescence, and dear old Dad probably was a major factor in that situation.

Though I readily acknowledge his talent, I was never a MJ fan, personally or professionally. But, I would never wish so unnatural a life on anyone. He paid a terrible price for the fame and success.
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#264832 - 06/29/09 02:02 PM Re: Michael Jackson Dead [Re: Ajax]
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I agree, Jack. What a messed up life.

I've been less affected by his death than most of my friends. To me, the real Michael Jackson was dead long ago, or at least in such a state that I tuned out as if he were dead.
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#264835 - 06/29/09 03:51 PM Re: Michael Jackson Dead [Re: medic8r]
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Is Michael the only child in the family that had a poor upbringing? With exception to LaToya, the rest of the family turned out "normal" (whatever that means nowadays).

I don't think it's right to excuse his actions as an adult because of his misfortune as a child. Setting a precedent like that, I would have to apply it to any person that does any wrongdoing or anything that would be perceived as being weird; I believe in uniformity.

Just my opinion, and I don't want to create tensions with anyone that has an antithetical view.
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#264836 - 06/29/09 04:05 PM Re: Michael Jackson Dead [Re: Da_Gimp_Pimp]
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What an excellent post Cam!
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#264837 - 06/29/09 04:11 PM Re: Michael Jackson Dead [Re: BlueJays1]
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He was the only one who was 5 when it started, and easily the most successful. We are all products of our environment; that doesn't excuse us from personal responsibility, though.
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#264838 - 06/29/09 04:22 PM Re: Michael Jackson Dead [Re: Da_Gimp_Pimp]
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I mostly agree with your post wheelz999, however not every person biology is the same. I watched last night Martin Bashir 2003 MJ interviews; Michael was clearly suffering from severe mental health problems. I'm no psychiatrist so I could be way off here, but I think most mental health problems are biological in nature. Yes, upbringing circumstances could exacerbated those problems, but not every sibling has the same biology as Michaels' so it's not surprising seen more adjusted siblings than other given the same upbringing.
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#264840 - 06/29/09 04:51 PM Re: Michael Jackson Dead [Re: JaimeG]
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I just think it’s sad that his death has obscured Farah’s death. She was an American Icon who deserves more press and grieving than MJ. Did any middle aged man not have her poster on his wall when growing up???
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#264841 - 06/29/09 04:52 PM Re: Michael Jackson Dead [Re: JaimeG]
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Ron Howard seems to be pretty normal.
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#264842 - 06/29/09 05:11 PM Re: Michael Jackson Dead [Re: tomtuttle]
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But if you threw Ron Howard under the roof of Joe Jackson (No, not that one, you know, Michael's Dad), what would you get? I can't claim to know the answer. I just like asking questions.
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#264843 - 06/29/09 05:29 PM Re: Michael Jackson Dead [Re: Da_Gimp_Pimp]
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 Originally Posted By: wheelz999
Is Michael the only child in the family that had a poor upbringing? With exception to LaToya, the rest of the family turned out "normal" (whatever that means nowadays).

I don't think it's right to excuse his actions as an adult because of his misfortune as a child. Setting a precedent like that, I would have to apply it to any person that does any wrongdoing or anything that would be perceived as being weird; I believe in uniformity.

Just my opinion, and I don't want to create tensions with anyone that has an antithetical view.


Bingo, good post Cam.
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