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Re: Cold Weather and Global Warming Thread
tomtuttle #286746 01/14/10 04:00 AM
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I don't kneel at the altar of science.

There's always time to repent, Brother Tom.


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Wid #286749 01/14/10 04:03 AM
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Global warming....drink more cold ones.

Global cooling....turn off fridge to save energy, put beers in snowbank.


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Adrian #286751 01/14/10 04:08 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Adrian
Global warming....drink more cold ones.

Global cooling....turn off fridge to save energy, put beers in snowbank.


But what about the hot tub??? ...easy way to get a girl naked \:\/ . I'll sacrifice the earth just this one time \:D ...


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BlueJays1 #286755 01/14/10 04:36 AM
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Your all Heart, Doc!! \:D


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Adrian #286756 01/14/10 04:41 AM
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BlueJays1 #286759 01/14/10 05:39 AM
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Global warming is *finally* coming back to south Florida after a twelve day deep freeze ... 70s tomorrow and 80 by Saturday!

Tom, I'll also burn at the stake with you. \:\)


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You guys have got top stop burning your steaks, medium rare is much better \:\)


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jakewash #286775 01/14/10 08:16 AM
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Great comments Tom! Far to many people on all political sides don’t think through the consequences of pursuing there beliefs to the Nth degree.

In a grad course on the sociology of science I remember reading many peer reviewed articles which clearly established that continents don’t drift.

In a graduate seminar on the sociology of science and technology I walked in late as 7 of the 8 other members were sitting around a table debating the meaning of the brief peer reviewed journal article the professor just handed out. I skimmed it quickly. I then read it a little more closely because I didn‘t understand it despite actually have a fairly good vocabulary. Then I reread it trying to figure out what the hell it really said all the while the debate had erupted into a full blown argument.

When I finally got a chance to talk I said something like “This thing is a joke, it reads like ‘Jabberwocky.’” Well nothing like a common enemy to unite people. They jumped all over me. Then Bruce, the class hippy, chimed in and said “Dean right this is a load of crap.” He and I spent the next 10 minutes or so defending our heretical statements against an onslaught from the previously warring factions, until the professor handed out a follow up article by the same author in which he explains the original article was completely devoid of any meaning and that he only wrote it to prove he could get anything published in a peer reviewed journal if he wanted.

The idea of the “dispassionate scientist” sifting through “facts” to discover some “truths” about the world is a complete myth. While I believe “science” does quite well dealing with many things the minute power and influence come into play “scientists” tend to fall pray to human nature no differently than the high priests of a religion or the leaders of political parties. Human nature being what it may is seldom stifled by the trappings of a profession. So once the issue becomes a media darling and power/politics become involved IMO the good “science” goes out the window.


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grunt #286777 01/14/10 10:06 AM
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I agree with every point you made there Tom.

As for there being consensus on the matter within the "Scientific community" (whatever that is), I would say that getting good scientists to agree on anything is much like trying to get a bunch of good engineers to come up with the same solution to a problem - doable with something reasonably simple, almost impossible with something complex. Just look at the various debates around audio systems for a great example.

No offence intended for scientists or engineers here, it's just human nature.

BTW - could any of you guys send some snow down here to Victoria, we just had 3 days above 40 degrees Celcius. I can't wait for some of that global cooling to come down our way.


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