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#286093 - 01/09/10 11:38 AM Re: M60s or M80s [Re: Wid]
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Why did the chicken cross his M80s over at 80?

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#286095 - 01/09/10 11:47 AM Re: M60s or M80s [Re: CV]
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To get to the otter slide.
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#286097 - 01/09/10 11:53 AM Re: M60s or M80s [Re: pmbuko]
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Registered: 12/27/08
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Because the pond on the otter side was full of bass?
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#286098 - 01/09/10 11:56 AM Re: M60s or M80s [Re: bdpf]
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Registered: 03/07/05
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Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 Originally Posted By: bdpf
 Originally Posted By: jakewash
No, it just helps even out the room response.


I don't really understand. If you set your crossover to 80Hz, won't the sub take care of all the frequencies below that? In that case, your mains will not play anything below that so any bass you'll have in your room will come from the sub. Am I missing something?
To reinforce my position, in that case, neither the 60s or the 80s will play anything below 80Hz and since their freq response is very similar above that I still don't understand why people have the 80s over the 60s if it's to use with a sub.


bdpf,

It's more of a gradual slope than a definitive cut off, so you are still hearing a combo of the speaker blended with the sub. In most cases, the leading edge of the sound may start with the M80 and then move onto the sub. And, like others have posted, you don't have to use 80Hz as a cut off, you can adjust to what sounds best to you.

As far as using the sub to even out the sound, you can place the sub(s) in more advantageous positions in the room, thus negating room nodes that you may not be able to get away from with the placement of the towers.
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#286101 - 01/09/10 12:11 PM Re: M60s or M80s [Re: CV]
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I did drag the 60s out of the storage closet this morning and set them up side by side with our 80s, firstly and without having the system turned on all morning I connected the 60s and played Elton John's 'Honky Chateau' SACD. Initial impression was that the sound a bit muffled compared to what I am accustomed to, thinking it may have been the disc I connected the 80s and my first reaction was 'Yep, there's the sound that I am used to'. The 60s are great speakers and I would certainly recommend them to anybody but *to me* they don't have the same detail, depth and dynamics that the 80s have, seems like the 80s just filled the room so easily and at lower listening levels the 80s seem like they stay more consistent with the detail. I'm going to leave the 60s in the room for a few days and may even get a nice A/B switcher so that I can more easily swap between the two.



On a side note, I discovered this tweeter damage on the top tweeter of my left 80, the tweeter is working fine as far as I can tell but I believe they are still in warranty and will shoot Axiom a photo ... even if they are not in warranty I'll still replace the tweeter. I can't figure out how the damage may have happened, it's been a long while since the grills have been removed so I don't know how long it's been like this.




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#286102 - 01/09/10 12:12 PM Re: M60s or M80s [Re: RickF]
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Out of curiosity, which versions of each do you have, Rick?
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#286103 - 01/09/10 12:15 PM Re: M60s or M80s [Re: Ken.C]
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Registered: 06/22/03
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Damn, you blew that rascal up
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#286104 - 01/09/10 12:17 PM Re: M60s or M80s [Re: Ken.C]
RickF Offline
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I believe version 1 Ken, the stickers read 'M60Ti' and 'M80Ti' ... the 60s were bought in late '04 and the 80s were purchased in early '05.
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#286105 - 01/09/10 12:20 PM Re: M60s or M80s [Re: RickF]
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I may have Rick, I only played the one disc and did a quick ear to the tweeter check and thought maybe it was working ... maybe not. I wonder how in the heck it could have blown, I'm not one to be kicking out 100dB's whenever I listen, that's strange.
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#286106 - 01/09/10 12:23 PM Re: M60s or M80s [Re: RickF]
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Registered: 02/01/08
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Loc: WI
Too much power from that Rotel. That is some strange looking damage.
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