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#297541 - 03/20/10 10:08 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: RickF]
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Registered: 04/02/03
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I believe Axiom really needs to 100% nail down the amplifier issues on their subwoofers before pushing power amplifiers.

Knowing Axiom's commitment to service, you can bet it is a top priority for them.
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#297561 - 03/21/10 01:18 AM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: BlueJays1]
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Registered: 05/14/09
Posts: 670
Loc: Vancouver
 Originally Posted By: Dr.House


I would tend to agree with you here. I'm not big on internet speaker brand electronics (amps,processors,receivers). From a customer perspective from the outside looking in, the history surrounding the reliability and quality control problems of internet brand electronics is stagerring across the board. It does not appeal to me at all. To me it seems the ID model brands try to hit price points with their electronics which are unnatainable (based on the MSRP compared to other competition) in order to compete with some of the bigger and more reliable brands and therefore shortcuts are taken (parts, quality control, r&d, slim budgets). Even Axiom as of late I have noticed a fair number subwoofer problems in the amp section on the EP500 and EP800.





I purchased an SVS for mostly these kind of reasons. They are an ID company as well but overall the product is very solid, I have driven mine quite hard and have no issues. The amp is made in Canada and the driver/unit itself is all USA, and it's about the same price as an EP350 (talking PB12-NSD here) and performs better. I don't know where Axiom is sourcing the amps, or if they are doing them themselves, but they should be able to compete in price/performance/reliability based on what I have seen with SVS/HSU.

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#297568 - 03/21/10 02:00 AM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: Potatohead]
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They build all of their amps themselves.
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#297569 - 03/21/10 02:23 AM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: Adrian]
2x6spds Offline
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Registered: 03/16/02
Posts: 2726
Loc: CA, USA
Suggestion No. 1: Do Not Make Amplifiers unless that is your love and calling and you have something unique or the ability to make a better amplifier for less money than those for whom amps are their calling.

Suggestion No. 2: Do Not Try to Compete with on-line discount electronics vendors.

Suggestion No. 3: Stick to speakers.

Suggestion No. 4:

Suggestion No. 5: Improve the sound quality of the already wonderful Axiom speakers.

Yes, we all love our Axiom speakers. For me, the reasons are that Axiom speakers give great audio quality for a good price. My favorite Axiom speakers for 2 channel music (2.1) are the M3Tis. These are excellent speakers, at a very good price, but they are not perfect. It has its detractors on this site who correctly point out that these speakers have a 'hump' in their frequency response at about 90-120HZ and a 'hole' at about 8HZ.

So, here is the plot from SoundStage.com:



Response curve is an average of five measurements:
on-axis, 15 degrees left and right off-axis,
15 degrees up and down off-axis

Now, here is the plot for the Usher Be-718 (Little Dancer)



Here is the plot for the MB Quart Vera VS 1F Loudspeaker:



Anyway, I responded to the Axiom survey and here are some of my thoughts which I thought I would share:

Lower the price of the current line of speakers.
Come out with a premium line with high quality cross-over components.

Come out with a new line of speakers which target the icons in each segment

mini monitor, book shelf speakers (5", 6.5" and 8" driver) like the Usher above, the Harbeths, Spendor SA1, Focal;

This is not to say that the Axiom speakers are not better than many very expensive speakers. Axioms are better than many, but not all.

Why not beat the really great speakers at Axiom price levels? It seems to me that Axiom is the outfit which just might be able to accomplish this.

Just a thought or two.


Edited by 2x6spds (03/21/10 02:29 AM)
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#297570 - 03/21/10 02:28 AM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: 2x6spds]
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How will we know when they've beaten all of the really great speakers? When there are more like you on the board instead of a bunch of sycophants?

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#297571 - 03/21/10 02:31 AM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: CV]
2x6spds Offline
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Registered: 03/16/02
Posts: 2726
Loc: CA, USA
Well, it's all in the listening, not the applause from true believers.

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My Axiom made speakers: M2is, M3Tis, M22Tis, M50Tis, QS8s, VP150, Michaura M55s, Michaura M66s, Michaura M665s, Merak MC6H, Merak MC634. I may have had more that I forgot about.


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#297572 - 03/21/10 02:40 AM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: 2x6spds]
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Mmm, applesauce.

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#297573 - 03/21/10 02:48 AM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: CV]
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with Latkes.
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#297584 - 03/21/10 10:12 AM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: 2x6spds]
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Registered: 03/20/08
Posts: 1200
Loc: Fishers, Indiana, USA
 Originally Posted By: 2x6spds
Suggestion No. 5: Improve the sound quality of the already wonderful Axiom speakers.

Yes, we all love our Axiom speakers. For me, the reasons are that Axiom speakers give great audio quality for a good price. My favorite Axiom speakers for 2 channel music (2.1) are the M3Tis. These are excellent speakers, at a very good price, but they are not perfect. It has its detractors on this site who correctly point out that these speakers have a 'hump' in their frequency response at about 90-120HZ and a 'hole' at about 8HZ.

So, here is the plot from SoundStage.com:



Response curve is an average of five measurements:
on-axis, 15 degrees left and right off-axis,
15 degrees up and down off-axis


It's interesting that one of your favorite Axiom speakers is older and has the hump and dip as your showed. The newer M80's are much flatter, and just as flat (yet more efficient) as the other speakers you posted. I'm wondering if the hump and dip of the older model sounded better to your ears because of where the hump and dip was in the spectrum?
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#297620 - 03/21/10 11:34 AM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: SRoode]
fredk Offline
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Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 7042
Loc: Canada
Give that man a cigar. I expect the bass hump is there to give the M3 more apparent bass, and it does that very well.

I have no doubt the amp issues on subs has caused a lot of concern and effort at Axiom. Keeping the design in house gives you a lot of control, but also has its downside. Axiom now has to worry both about design and production, and production is a whole other can of worms. The amount of resources car manufacturers throw as manufacturing process and quality is mind boggling, but they have a lot of volume to spread the cost over.
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