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#2986 - 05/09/02 10:37 PM Listening material
KurtisJ Offline
buff

Registered: 04/06/02
Posts: 46
Loc: Central Washington
What are some candidates to really measure the abilities of the Axiom speakers, for that matter any speaker? I just got my M22/VP150/QS8 and need to let the sing. Please give me some good musical choices and/or DVD's that will test the speakers. Keep in mind I am looking for some stuff to test above 80mhz. I really want test the M22s and find out how they differ from or exceed my Energy Take2, Boston Acoustic HD5 and Mirage M-190 pairs.

Thanks in advance

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#2987 - 05/10/02 12:10 AM Re: Listening material
BIG Offline
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Registered: 04/27/02
Posts: 16
This is the one I used:
London 417-400-2
Tchaikovsky by Sir Georg Solti and Chicago Symphony Orchestra

#1 1812 Overture - for deep bass and high volume testing
#3 - #9 The Nutcracker Suite - for mid, high range and over all musical quality


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#2988 - 05/10/02 01:43 PM Re: Listening material
ravi_singh Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 03/14/02
Posts: 1351
Loc: Montreal
I usually use Patricia Barber - Modern Cool to test speakers and uadio equipment for audio. For movies... The Gladiator fight scenes are good... I also enjoyed the recent Star Wars movie, some of those scenes, like the race, has good effects. Some racing scenes in the Fast and the Furious also had some good audio.

I, of course, would also recommend the cd STILL by Nine Inch Nails, which is mostly piano, acoustic guitar, and ambient effects, but most people don't like them, even though this CD is completely different. Their live DVD, which, in contrast, is very heavy, is perhaps one of the best music DVD's I have heard. It far exceeds the U2 elevation tour DVD, and just may be better than the Diana Krall Live in Paris, which is VERY good.

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#2989 - 05/10/02 05:59 PM Re: Listening material
alan Offline
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Registered: 01/29/02
Posts: 3189
Loc: Toronto/New York/Dwight
Hi KurtisJ,

Here a couple of suggestions. I'll post more when I get some more time:
One of the CDs I use to evaluate the M22ti's and several other prototypes is called "Misa Criolla" by Ariel Ramirez (Philips CD, 420-955-2). It features a Spanish/Latin American instrumental (acoustic) backing with a deep bass drum, and a full choir spread out way behind the lead singer, Jose Carreras.

It has a stunning soundstage with great depth. Carreras should be right up front, with the choir and guitars etc. spread out behind him, well back. It was recorded in a church with super acoustics and it's not dreary music. Try cut # 8 first, then others.

A beautifully recorded and ideally mixed 5.1 Dolby Digital music video is "James Taylor Live at the Beacon Theater." I know, the music is a bit sappy, but the back-up singers, musicians, electric bass, and Taylor's voice are almost perfect. With a good setup, the backup singers are on the left of the stage and wrap around the sides of your room. Taylor's voice is very accurate (there's a bit of sibilance, but not offensive) and the guitar sound is excellent.

By the way, I was at that taping (I live around the corner from the Beacon Theater) and interviewed the producer and mixer for the DVD, Frank Filipetti, who's done a first-rate job on the 5.1 mix. I'm sitting in the 10th row to the right (guy with gray hair). The sound and mix on the DVD is even better than the live concert sound. And, for those interested, the video directing is by Beth McCarthy, the director of Saturday Night Live, who really knows how to call camera shots for a concert.

Regards,
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Alan Lofft,
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#2990 - 05/10/02 06:40 PM Re: Listening material
alan Offline
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Registered: 01/29/02
Posts: 3189
Loc: Toronto/New York/Dwight
Hey kurtisj,
Forgot to give you the catalog number of the James Taylor DVD: it's Columbia Music Videos CVD 50171.

And unless you have the hearing of a bat or a dog, I think you meant 8 kHz rather than 80 mHz, which is way, way beyond human hearing up there in batland. Or maybe you meant 80 Hz (low bass) or 800 Hz (upper bass) or 8,000 Hz (upper treble). In audio frequencies, kilohertz (kHz) is what we use. The "k" stands for 1,000 so 10 kHz is 10,000 Hz.

Our hearing spans a range of approximately 20 Hz to 20 kHz or 20,000 Hz.

Regards,
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Axiom Resident Expert

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#2991 - 05/10/02 10:48 PM Re: Listening material
KurtisJ Offline
buff

Registered: 04/06/02
Posts: 46
Loc: Central Washington
Thanks Alan, Ravi;
I just ordered the Misa Criolla. I might as well try the recommendion of the local guru...and I'm always into a new sound. I will let you know in a week or so...shipping of course.
KurtisJ

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#2992 - 05/11/02 02:46 AM Re: Listening material
KurtisJ Offline
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Registered: 04/06/02
Posts: 46
Loc: Central Washington
Hey Big,
I don't want to leave you out in the cold...The nutcracker sounds like a winner. My parents just might have that. I will check.

Alan,
The correct number is...80hz. I do not want to test the lower range as much as I do the mid and upper ranges. Maybe I have the hearing of a bat or dog, but...

Thanks for the input guys

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#2993 - 05/11/02 04:35 AM Re: Listening material
Randyman Offline
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Registered: 03/29/02
Posts: 184
Loc: Honolulu, Hawaii
If you want to go back a few years - and it's your style, then I suggest for vocals: "Hell Freezes Over" CD from the Eagles, and for sweet acoustical guitar and vocals, try the "Unplugged" album by Eric Clapton. They both sound great on my M60s!

Randyman

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#2994 - 05/11/02 10:00 AM Re: Listening material
alan Offline
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Registered: 01/29/02
Posts: 3189
Loc: Toronto/New York/Dwight
Hi,

Good suggestions, Randyman, and the DVD versions are also impressive. The Eagles disc has a bit of sibilance on the voices, but it's not offensive.

kurtisj:
I get Time-Warner digital cable now and the other night I watched "X-Men" in Dolby Digital 5.1, on HBO. The movie is weird but the 5.1 mix is spectacular, with all kinds of wonderful directional stuff mixed to the surround channels. Good, but bizarre, visual effects too.

Regards,
_________________________
Alan Lofft,
Axiom Resident Expert

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#2995 - 05/11/02 11:38 PM Re: Listening material
BIG Offline
frequent flier

Registered: 04/27/02
Posts: 16
guys,

The top 20 CDs, DVDs by AudioRevolution.com,

The Eagles album and Gladiator posted previously are in the list.

"Diana Krall - Love Scenes" and "Matrix", saw these two quite ofen in other boards, no suprise here.

Top 20 Albums
#1 U2 - All That You Can't Leave Behind
#2 O' Brother Where Art Thou?
#3 Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory
#4 Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
#5 Alicia Keys - Songs in A Minor
#6 The Eagles - Hell Freezes Over
#7 Creed - Weathered
#8 Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
#9 Pink Floyd - The Wall
#10 The Beatles - 1
#11 Enya - A Day Without Rain
#12 Fleetwood Mac - Rumours
#13 Sting - Brand New Day
#14 Diana Krall - Love Scenes
#15 Metallica – Metallica (The Black Album)
#16 Pink - Missundaztood
#17 Santana - Supernatural
#18 AC/DC - Back in Black
#19 U2 - The Joshua Tree
#20 Bob Dylan - Love & Theft


Top 20 DVDs
#1 The Matrix
#2 Shrek
#3 Gladiator
#4 Stars Wars Episode 1: The Phantom Menace
#5 Pearl Harbor
#6 Saving Private Ryan
#7 Moulin Rouge
#8 The Fifth Element
#9 Jurassic Park series
#10 The Godfather series
#11 Terminator 2
#12 A.I. Artificial Intelligence
#13 Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon
#14 Brave Heart
#15 O’ Brother Where Art Thou?
#16 Atlantis: The Lost Empire
#17 Planet of the Apes
#18 Fight Club
#19 The Patriot
#20 Heat

http://www.audiorevolution.com/news/0502/07.top20cdsanddvds.shtml

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#2996 - 05/12/02 11:00 AM Re: Listening material
fhw Offline
devotee

Registered: 11/22/01
Posts: 345
Loc: London, ON
The DTS mix on the new Diana Krall "Live in Paris" DVD is phenomenal. Sting's latest album, Brand New Day, on CD or DVD-A is a fantastic recording as well.

As for movies, I have yet to hear anything that challenges the "dynamic range" of a speaker more than the first 30 minutes of Moulin Rouge.

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#2997 - 05/12/02 06:39 PM Re: Listening material
2x6spds Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 03/16/02
Posts: 2726
Loc: CA, USA
Hi fhw. I just picked up the Diana Krall DVD. Haven't listened yet, but I have had the pleasure of listening to the new Willie Nelson DVD-A disc. WOW! Beautiful recording.

This was my first DVD-A experience with my new Toshiba SD9200, Onkyo 797 Denon 2 channel amp for back surround speakers, Axiom M50 fronts, Merak MC6H horn tweeter center, Merak MT66 side surrounds and Mission 77ds back surrounds.

I highly recommend the Willie Nelson Night & Day DVD-A for those with the equipment to cope.

Also listened to the new Judi Collins Both Sides Now DVD-A, Disappointing. Why the difference?

Here's a quote from the insert in the Willie Nelson DVD-A:

"no compromises. Our software is not copy-protected or watermarked. Because, as sure as fidelity means faithful, we believe the quest for honest sound is a pastime of honest people."

This recording is pure sounding!
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Enjoy the Music. Trust your ears. Laugh at Folks Who Claim to Know it All.

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#2998 - 05/21/02 10:49 PM Re: Listening material
KurtisJ Offline
buff

Registered: 04/06/02
Posts: 46
Loc: Central Washington
I just got the Misa Criolla and first impression is...well different than my usual suspects. Don't get me wrong I actually enjoyed listening to it. I just need to sit down, after my system is set up in my new house. I put the M22s on the counter, along with a pair of Mirage M90s (?), and a pair of BA HD5s. I used my Luxman amp and cheap Yammie cd player. The 22s are more forward and bright than the Mirage, but lack the bass. I will test again when I can sit on my duff in a comfy chair and really let the speakers sing. Hopefully by then the setup will be better for sound.

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