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#299328 - 03/30/10 01:14 AM Re: Audyssey Versus MCACC [Re: Dduval]
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 Originally Posted By: Dduval





Jesus Christ, that's freaking mess!
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#299344 - 03/30/10 06:58 AM Re: Audyssey Versus MCACC [Re: Micah]
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This is the reason some sub manufacturers recommend not using auto set up with their subs.
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#299345 - 03/30/10 07:26 AM Re: Audyssey Versus MCACC [Re: Micah]
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 Originally Posted By: Micah


Jesus Christ, that's freaking mess!



WHAAHWAAAhhaaa!

That's funny!

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#299349 - 03/30/10 08:21 AM Re: Audyssey Versus MCACC [Re: Dduval]
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What's the deal anyway, why are subs so hard to get right? Is it because most microphones lack the sensitivity required to accurately pick up those lower octave sound waves, making it difficult for the correction system to do its job of flattening them out? Or is it the nature of those bass notes that make them harder to pick up for some reason and just be a complete pain in the ass with the current correction technologies?

The reason I ask is because it seems as though about 90% of the problems I've seen come up around here while using Audyssey has been with the subwoofer.
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#299351 - 03/30/10 08:43 AM Re: Audyssey Versus MCACC [Re: Micah]
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You point out the inherent flaw in these room correction technologies in that they tend to stifle the bass too much especially at the low end. If you check around for info on this site you will find "somewhere"(I can't quite remember) a video from "President" Ian discussing this very issue in that microphones and also meters like the one from Radio Shack do not read bass response accurately below about 50hz. There is also a blurb about this in one of "Outlaw Audio's" manuals for one of their subs in which they talk about much of the same problem in that bass must be boosted manually at certain levels to compensate for this loss, hence, the problem you are discussing.

Although not everyone is in agreement about this, I would recommend something like the Velodyne SMS-1, the new Audyssey Bass management system or anything else that enables one to "fine tune" the overly reduced frequencies at the low end, that is, of course, if your sub can handle the boost.

In the end, it is always about what sounds good to you.

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#299391 - 03/30/10 12:11 PM Re: Audyssey Versus MCACC [Re: casey01]
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Actually, I would say "in the end, it's always about what you're used to" Even if the best pro calibrator comes in and makes the perfect correction, most people (IMHO) prefer what they are used to.
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